HELLO? Just why isnt it my contitutional right to have a bible in every hotel room in America? It certainly is. And its (sadly), the muslims right to have the koran if they want. and agian sadly, the satan worshippers to have the same. you see, because we are a nation founded primarily (but you wont find this in our modern day american history books) due to reasons of fredom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
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Well, they do have a point. The States was founded on freedoms, one of which includes freedom to believe whatever religion, and non-religion, you wish to.
So, in your warped world, we would be free to be atheists if we declared atheism a religion?
Whenever I hear someone mention that non belief should be illegal or anything similar it just reminds me how most of these people don't even believe their own stories, they're just choosing them like football teams. If they weren't they'd understand that belief is not a choice and I couldn't actually BELIEVE in the stories of any religion even if I legally had to.
hotels are priviate institutions, you don't get to tell them what to do.
And yes, freedom of religion does include freedom from religion for those that want it.
You get points for acknowledging that the Muslims and the Satanists have the same rights you do, but no religious organization has the right to force privately owned businesses to carry its holy book. Also, has it occurred to you that the authors of modern-day American history books might not see it as their job to propagandize for your rewrite of history?
It is your constitutional right to bring whatever books you want into your hotel room; that's the joy of living in the United States. It is not your right to have one provided for you. That is an expense most hotel managers would probably prefer not to deal with.
A KJV is $5 at your local ghetto-discount store. Suck up and buy one if the Gideons haven't gone by.
Guess what...Freedom OF religion *IS* Freedom from religion. The self-same rights that disallow me to force you to disbelieve in your god are the very rights that disallow you to cram your God down my throat.
Believe what you want. Believe if you want. Don't expect me to follow.
Using that logic, Freedom of Speech does not allow Freedom FROM Speech...
Ummm....it is. Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. Just like the right to bare arms doesn't mean you HAVE to own a gun, or else what's the point of freedom? The whole idea of freedom is choice so if you have a freedom to choose any religion you also have the freedom to choose no religion. Understand. Of course not, reasoning with a fundie is like talking to a brick wall.
If you REALLY have nothing better to do in a hotel room than read the bible, the probability is high that you have your own bible with you anyway. Or Quran, or whatever.
You're free to leave your chick tracts...you never know if some future guest will have diarrhoeia....
"Just why isn't it my contitutional right to have a bible in every hotel room in America?"
1 Hotels aren't gov't institutions.
2 You don't own all the hotels in America.
3 So please bring your own bible and shut the fuck up.
Funny, it's in my World History book.
Is the bible the Gideons provide a KJB? I always thought it was the Gideon bible or something along those lines...
Incidentally, I rather like the Gideons' approach to proselytization -- "It's there, take it or leave it. We've done our job." They understand something that many evangelists and used car salesman fail to understand -- a hard sell turns people off.
Not that they've convinced me, mind you; I would think a good paperback novel would be a better choice. But their approach is much better than most.
What, pray tell, is "fundie" about this person's comment? They are acknowleding the equality of all religious groups under law - something a true "fundie" would rarely do. Am I to take it that the person who submitted this comment just has an axe to grind with religion in general, and not "fundies" in particular?
"Just why isnt it my contitutional right to have a bible in every hotel room in America?"
I think the best argument that this is not a Constitutional right is the fact that IT'S NOT IN THE BLOODY FUCKING CONSTITUTION?!?!
Kinda has to be in the Constitution to be a Constitutional right. That's what makes it a _Constitutional_ right.
Freedom of religion? It's in the Constitution.
Freedom of speech? In the Constitution.
Right to bear arms? It's in there.
Freedom from having soldiers quartered in your home during peacetime if you don't want them there? Once again, in the Constitution.
Having a Bible in every hotel room? Gee, seems someone must have left that one out. Which means, it's not a Constitutional right.
Try reading it sometime. The Constitution, not the Bible.
Hell, try reading the Bible sometime, too.
Freedom of religion implies freedom to choose religion, or not to choose one, for that matter. And if you say "sadly" everytime you mention other religion, you say it all.
Just why isnt it my contitutional right to have a bible in every hotel room in America?
Constitution aside, what hotel forbids guests to have Bibles in their rooms? If he means put a Bible in every hotel room, that's another matter.
If you are willing to pay every hotel in America enough to buy a bible for each of their rooms, then go ahead. Of course, it might be easier to buy one at take it when you travel, don't you think.
Whats the difference between freedom of religion and freedom from religion? If we're all free to participate in whatever religion we want than surely one of the choices should be none?
And I'm sure you would not appreciate members of other religions either trying to indoctrinate you or your children, which is why it's important to have these sorts of freedoms.
Where the hell did you get the idea that you have the right to have a bible provided for you in every hotel room? Hotel companies have the right to do so (they have the right to put practically any material in their rooms) but you do not have the right to demand a bible in your room. Please point that passage out in the constitution please, or any document dealing with human rights.
So, ArriveAlive, are you saying that you DON'T carry a pocket KJV with you wherever you go, and you NEED the hotel to provide one for you?
BAD Fundie! BAD! No biscuit for you!
You do not have a constitutional right to have a bible in every hotel room in America, unless of course you own every hotel room in America.
Do you?
I didn't think so. Goodbye.
I'm... not sure what you're saying here.
I fail to see how it is, in any way, your right to have a bible provided for you in every hotel room.
That having been said, if the owner wants to put it in there, it's certainly their right, and while I might grumble a bit about having religion shoved in my face, I'm not going to deny the owners the right to put a Bible, a Koran, a Torah, a Humanist Manifesto, Hubbard's "The Fundementals of Thought" or whatever the hell they want in their private business on their private property. They could also not put anything in there. It's their right.
I'm a little confused as to why that needs to be said in the first place.
*edit* Ah, I see. I'm not really sure who puts Bibles in the rooms in the first place, but I'm going to agree that ripping out pages of books that don't belong to you, in spite of the reason(s) behind it, is generally not a good thing. It's not yours to destroy.
Whats the problem? You have the right to a bible in every hotel room you wish.
You have all freedom to check in at any hotel, bring your own bible, and read it quietly and peacefully in your hotel room. Just don't try to harass the staff or the other hotel guests with these crazy fairy-tales, okay?
And should you 'forget' your bible in the drawer, then the staff has all right to throw it away, after waiting an adequate time for you to pick up your lost property. (Hotels are required to hand lost items to the "Lost and Found" office only if the object has some recognizable value. Bibles can be usually bought cheaply at any bookstore, therefore they may be safely thrown away, if its not a special edition with an expensive cover or similiar.)
"HELLO? Just why isnt it my contitutional right to have a bible in every hotel room in America?"
Because there isn't so much as word one in said Constitution that says you have the specific right to. Hell, there isn't so much as even the words 'God', 'Jesus', or 'Creator' therein, so I guess that fucks up your argument completely.
Next question.
Oh, and the sister of a friend of mine is the deputy manager at a Travelodge hotel. A few years ago, they received a request from Gideons International, about supplying their particular branch with Bibles in the rooms. The manager's reply? (as is the case with those of all branches in that chain):
'You will have to get permission from our individual guests every time they book a room with us, before you can place a Bible in their room.'
Travelodge UK never heard from Gideons International again.
It's your constitutional right to BRING a Bible with you to any hotel room you visit in America, dumbass!
Freedom of and from religion are intimately connected, dumbass!
No, see...it'd the hotel owner's right to put whatever the fuck they want in their rooms. If they wanna put a Bible in there, it's their right. If they wanna put a copy of the Kama Sutra in, it's their right.
It's the same mentality you guys wave around when Chicka-Fil-A started backing anti-homosexuality initiatives. Not my place to tell them how to run their business, but sure as shit, I wouldn't so much as piss on one of their dumpsters.
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