My mother in law has been widowed for a few years. She is a Christian and has begun dating a similarly aged man (early 70's). He is divorced, but I don't know any particulars. Both her husbands died of cancer, she did a majority of the care-taking while they were sick. Her first husband died young, in his 40's. The second husband was 25 yrs later.
My husband and I are growing concerned about the relationship. She has stated that she doesn't want to be married again, she is enjoying being able to come and go as she pleases, travel on her own schedule, etc. She and I are very close and she casually mentioned that she and her new "friend" were planning a trip together to France for the Fall. I immediately told my husband and he asked her about it. Without any prompting or even a statement beyond, "I hear you are going to France with Tom." She told him that yes, they were going and she was an adult and it wasn't any of his business who she traveled with and their room arrangements. We talked to his sister and her husband about it and they both said that they should both be able to enjoy their "Golden Years" without any encumbrance from us.
When pressed about the moral issue of sleeping together without being married, they both felt like since she was past menopause, the usual restrictions don't apply, ie they could do it without impunity as long as they are discrete and not flaunting the relationship. This is coming from two people who claim to be Christians.
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This is really, truly none of your fucking business. On the up side: one day you'll be older and your children will be trying to play 'I'm a better christian, so I know what's best ' with you. Just the way you raised them.
You be sure to enjoy that.
"We talked to his sister and her husband about it and they both said that they should both be able to enjoy their "Golden Years" without any encumbrance from us."
Too fucking right.
I think that after having to care for two previous husbands and watch them die, she's earned that right and shouldn't have to put up with judgemental crap like this from her family.
How often do we have to tell you this, it's none of your business. You are to shut up or leave. Other peoples bedrooms or orgasms are none of your business, unless somebody gets physically hurt and didn't want it. You can disapprove, sure, but do it silently.
If you are a Christian, why don't you do what your Bible says by shutting up and minding your own business.
1 Thessalonians 4:11 - And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,
What a truly sick cult! Why stop there, why not just ban the mother from marrying since she can't make babies anymore. "Your use is over, now just wait in that chair till you die, mother dear".
"This is coming from two people who claim to be Christians."
Similar nonsense comes from all christians, including you.
And I'm sure her mother is regretting bringing up her daughter to be a fundie Christian prude.
Puritanism - the irrational fear that someone, somewhere is having fun.
Walker, you doubt the Christianity of your mother in law. Since you are a fundie, by posting this you have publically expressed your view that you mother in law should properly be condemned to hellfire. You have, by default, cursed your mother in law. If he has agreed with your statement as you say, you put your husband in the position of cursing his mother. In the Gospels, Matthew 15:4 reiterates the view in Exodus and Leviticus that children of those that curse their parents be put to death. He has broken the Commandment to honor your father and mother and the Bible also says he is an abomination. And for having put your husband in this position, the Bible does not look favorably on you, either.
To Walker's mother in law and her partner, have a good time in France. To Walker's mother in law's partner's sister and husband, well done for telling Walker to butt out of what is none of her business.
That's the thing about you right-wing Fundamental ist Christains that makes you - and your 'beliefs' - so repellant:
How you think your 'beliefs' gives you the right to control others, when the simple fact is this (as per the SCOTUS' ruling on DOMA & your butthurt as a result): you don't .
"This is coming from two people who claim to be Christians"
And this coming from a non -Quaker/Unitarian Universalist (who have at least a hyper -tolerant 'Live and let live' attitude) on Ruptured Retards. Like I say, you, all your ilk & your 'beliefs' are repellant in the extreme. Yet, you wonder why ?:
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You do the maths, RR. Otherwise, there would be only one denomination of Christianity. You do the maths II.
This is coming from two people who claim to be Christians.
Yes, you and your husband should be ashamed of yourselves. What was it your Bible said about "judge not lest ye be judged" and "honor thy father and they mother"? Your mother-in-law has had it hard in the later years of her life, and if she feels like she needs to have a little bit of happiness before she goes to be with Jesus, who are you to tell her it's not "moral"? If you truly loved her, you would listen to your relatives and just be happy that she is happy, not stick your noise into her business while pointing your finger and screaming "IMMORALOMG!!!"
Oh, you were talking about your mother-in-law and her boyfriend. Hypocrite.
I guess this is what nasty little tattle-tale kids grow up to be like.
As for the MIL, who should have just told you to mind your own damned business, WTF does menopause have to do with it? Evil, dirty, sinful sex is still just as naughty in fundie world if you can't reproduce. Sounds like MIL is a bit of a hypocrite, but at least she's come to her senses late in life.
Well, by Biblical standards, you're right. In fact, she shouldn't have married that 2nd husband, since it was unlikely that she could conceive a child in late middle age, and as fundies keep telling us, marriage is all about children.
So, OP, I stand with you. Drive on, fundies, make your own and each others live miserable by adhering to all the literal laws of the Bible.
Leave your mother-in-law alone! She's a grown-up and can take responsibility for her own actions.
If you're so close to your mom-in-law, maybe you shouldn't tattle to your husband what you and her are talking about. His sister sounds much more Christian than him or you, to me.
I bet most people in the West do sleep together before getting married nowadays, whether Christan or not. What if you're not compatible in bed, when you've signed on for life? Btw, can't they sleep together in the US? It's not only in France there are beds, ya know.
First, it is absolutely none of your fucking business... so butt the fuck out.
Second, you managed to gossip about it to others... (yes, what you did was gossip about it) and if you had read your Bible, you would know that gossiping is evil. Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips
Third, the Bible also says you shouldn't stick your nose into what other people do... Noah's son got cursed for violating his fathers privacy, even though it was for the best of intentions.
In other words, THEY are being better Christians that you...
Not only can they do it with impunity so long as they don't flaunt it, they can do it with impunity AND flaunt it. And rub your fucking nose in it, and tell you they've gotten four thousand times the ass you've gotten in your dinky little log-ride into the ground.
And the best part, Walker? You can't do shit about it, and neither can your imaginary friend.
I am betting that "Without any prompting or even a statement beyond, "I hear you are going to France with Tom."" came with a disrespectful tone at the very least.
So much for honoring your mother.
she was an adult and it wasn't any of his business who she traveled with and their room arrangements
There's something VERY wrong about that sentence.
The underlined "and" should be an "or". Otherwise everything about the sentence is just fine and she's absolutely right.
they both said that they should both be able to enjoy their "Golden Years" without any encumbrance from us.
No, they said "mind your own fucking business you prude stuck up moron", you just don't want to admit it.
"I immediately told my husband and he asked her about it. Without any prompting or even a statement beyond, "I hear you are going to France with Tom." She told him that yes, they were going and she was an adult and it wasn't any of his business who she traveled with and their room arrangements."
Sounds like she has your sanctimonious number. She's obviously not senile, she knows a couple of jerks when she sees them.
"We talked to his sister and her husband about it and they both said that they should both be able to enjoy their "Golden Years" without any encumbrance from us."
Sounds like they know you a little too well too!
Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
So leave and cleave already!
Most of the other anti-fornication quotes from the Bible are from that misogynist kill-joy, Disciple wanna-be Paul. Personally, I think his underwear was too tight, or he had crabs.
Yo! But out of your Mom's business. After losing two husbands to cancer, she deserves to live life to the fullest with a guy she adores in France! As my late grandmother used to say, "I earned it!"
Well, SHE EARNED IT! SO SHADDAP, YOU DRIED UP PRUDE!
OP should be happy that her 70something mother-in-law is mentally and physically healthy enough for international travel and sexual activity. At her age, MIL could have Alzhiemers and OP would have to assist her eat, dress, bathe and go to the toilet. But I guess in OP's mind that's better than MIL fornicating.
sorry you haave two choices
1. leave them alone to make their own choices
2. stone the fornicators to death
I suggest option 1. It is purely a platonic relationship, after all people at age 70 never even think about sex. ;-)
My parents were together for 40 years without being married. In fact my mum was still married to the violent, controlling arsehole she met before my dad, right up until she died. And you know what? Nothing bad happened to them, it was entirely their business.
Too late! I see that Bible Godism and Rapture Ready have reduced you to being little more than a piffling windbag. Your main concern seems to be indulging internetingly in gossip about the affairs of sane relatives.
Instead of engaging in petty gossip and dreary trivia about other people, shouldn't you be making sure that your own pre-flight checks are all in order for the upcoming er...flight.
In your case, with all the hot air you contain, it might not be a case of the imminent Whooshfest, but the upcoming and gently rising Floatfest, er...soon.
What a super team you'll make! Captain Cloud Lounger, Super Zombie and Dirigible Girl! Wow! Think of all the rights you'll wrong!
It's none of your business, Walker! Butt out!
I think I'd like to meet this lady and her friend when she comes to France. I'd delight in warning her to ensure you were unable to take over her affairs as she gets older.
What would I say?
"Mom, your daughter-in-law needs a scalp massage with a ballpeen hammer."
It's the only way to be sure.
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