[In a thread about why atheists think Christianity is illogical]
Why ask atheists when you can read Hebrews 11:1 and have it from Paul himself?
Don't think 'illogical' is a slur. Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths, and one of the worst things one can do for the faith is to try to justify it through logic.
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The verse in question:
"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
So, not only ignorant, but *vehemently* ignorant.
"Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths"
"Why ask atheists when you can read Hebrews 11:1 and have it from Paul himself?"
Guess what, Paul almost certainly didn't write Hebrews, and we don't really have any idea who did.
"Don't think 'illogical' is a slur. Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths, and one of the worst things one can do for the faith is to try to justify it through logic."
More Honest Than Intended award?
"Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths"
You said it, not me. You hear that Christians! Case closed by admission from your own side! Victory for atheism! Hwaarrr! Hwarrrr!
War is Peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength
Big brother is watching you!
...one of the worst things one can do for the faith is to try to justify it through logic.
I'm pretty sure this goes against Catholic teachings. The Roman Catholic Church considers fideism a heresy.
It is a pretty funny quote though.
Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths, it enables christianity to feed the hungry, cure diseases, make steam engines . . . oh wait . . .
Right, if you have honest faith in something, you will not care what logic or reason say about that issue or event. The problem with this, however, is understanding when a belief can be faith-based.
An event like the Resurrection, for example, is a pure faith based belief. There was no witness, and the event goes against our understanding of death. However, if we believe that God is all powerful, then He can raise people back from the dead. However, there is no proof for it, but there is also no proof against it.
Something like the creation of the world, is not really a faith-based belief.
A person who want to honestly call himself or herself a faithful person would submit all the teachings of his or her religion to the tests of logic and doubt, to flush out the false ones and retain only the ones that truly matter.
I cannot only agree with Mirdaths words.
I have no doubt that it is also the same thing that makes christian fundamentalism so attractive for people who are rather uneducated (and/or maybe also don´t have enough brain capacity to get any scientific degrees)
I am not Catholic, I am agnostic -- if you guys would care to check the profile. I'm just the loyal opposition on CAF :)
Fived myself anyway, just for the hell of it. Yeah, the Vatican may not like fideism, but that doesn't mean it isn't just about the only intellectually honest position.
For the same reason that you not believe that Mohammed is the last and most perfect of the prophets just by reading the Quran or that Howarts is magical just by reading Harry Potter. If logic has been the pillar of the science that built the computer you´re typing, be at least consequent. And follow the example of St Thomas of Aquinas, for a change.
Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths, for example how lighthouses transform manitees into flaming pollo-loco dishwashers made out of marmite!
Hey, you throw logic out the window and ANYTHING is possible.
A 'blind faith' verse is what he uses to defend his illogical approach to reality. Blind faith doesn't make you stronger, it makes your churchs control stronger. Many verses in the Bible are about absolute unquestionable serviance to your betters.
No matter what they do in the name of God you just keep believing the best of the fairy tale and ignore the bloody history and carry hate for your masters .
Fuckin' puppets
“Why ask atheists”
“when you can read Hebrews 11:1 and have it from Paul himself?”
“Don't think 'illogical' is a slur”
“Not caring about logic is one of Christianity's greatest strengths,”
“and one of the worst things one can do for the faith is to try to justify it through logic.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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