[Discussing trhe KJV]
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In short, life would be much better if the people of God would stop their spiritual whoredom with the world. The first step of repentance would be the rejection of the impure modern versions.
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like, say, selling your 'beliefs' and rules on internet forums, and spouting things out to convert others (ya know, whoring yourself)?
The KJV is the version that says Thou shalt not kill. That means that you can no longer justify wars on muslims, support on the death penalty, and all the other killing for Jesus you currently support, Randy. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
The KJV Bible is the worst Bible translation imagineable - probably why Randy loves it so much.
Not to mention that it's ironic Randy uses it do demonise homosexuals, yet the author, King James, was reknowned for having gay tendancies.
Yeah, well, don't you goddamned atheists understand that fundies don't want to get themselves edjumacated? Because if they go out and learn Hebrew and Greek, they might wind up reading ungodly things like them dirty Greek plays and that Total Anti-Liberty Method for Uber-Domination!
/Jewish posters with no sense of humor, cut me some slack on that last one -- it was a bitch coming up with an acronym that made sense
The first step of repentance would be the rejection of the impure modern versions.
Is he saying we should all learn ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek? Or is he suggesting that a translation into Early Modern English was somehow divinely "inspired"? The latter would be decidedly odd Christian theology.
The preface to the RSV of 1951 gives a very clear explanation of the changes to the KJV. They were vetted by any number of biblical scholars who know far more about the Bible, the original scriptures and the English language than the Bro ever will. As they explain, "The greatest problem, however, is presented by the English words which are still in constant use but now convey a different meaning from that which they had in 1611 ... These words were once accurate translations of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures; but now have changed meaning, they have become misleading. They no longer say what the King James translators meant them to say." They give examples: let=hinder; prevent=precede; allow=approve; communicate=share; allege=prove, etc. The Bro makes such an error himself when he uses a KJV quote to ban "debate" on T4C. In the KJV, "debate" means something much stronger and more violent than it means today. The RSV translates it as "strife".
If you know Early Modern English (e.g., you can read Shakespeare or Marlowe without a dictionary), then go ahead and use it. If you're a half-illiterate from Backwater, NC, then at least look at the modern translations and try to understand why they're different from the KJV.
The KJV Bible is the worst Bible translation imagineable - probably why Randy loves it so much.
Not to mention that it's ironic Randy uses it do demonise homosexuals, yet the author, King James, was reknowned for having gay tendancies.
I don't think KJ was the only one with homosexual tendencies... Randy seems to be a bit like that too, only better at supressing it.
Besides John's very cogent points about language, does Fatso not realise that the KJV was commissioned primarily to piss off fundies? It's true. One of the demands of the Puritans in the 17thC was for a new translation of the Bible; they themselves preferred the Geneva Bible, which has footnotes very scathing about kings and kingship. To forestall a possible Puritan Bible, and suppress the Geneva text, James commissioned his own translation, expressly designed to uphold the views of the established Church of England against those of Puritans and Independents. And yet, today, it is the spiritual descendants of those dissenters who cling to the KJV, whilst the CofE has abandoned it. Go figure.
"In short, life would be much better if the people of God would stop their spiritual whoredom with the world."
In your case, boy Randy, the whoredom involves intimately accosting strangers with the idea that Hebbin is your payoff, and Gawd your pimp.
I think the rationale behind this is if they started using new versions that came out as more texts were translated, then they couldn't use their famous "Science always changes, so it's wrong" argument without looking like hypocrites
"I think the rationale behind this is if they started using new versions that came out as more texts were translated, then they couldn't use their famous "Science always changes, so it's wrong" argument without looking like hypocrites"
Since when have fundies cared about being hypocrites?
One must wonder if the real reason many fundies don't like any version other than the KJV is that modern translations, given changes in language, don't include their favorite code words (*cough*strong meat). Admittedly, an awful lot of them have some pretty strange hangups about the number of apperances of "God" and "Jesus", but that could just be a post hoc rationalization.
@John:
Yes, I agree the KJV is rather problematic. Not to knock it much, as it was really a decent attempt for its time, but it suffers from two main problems:
A: Some translations are inaccurate, such as the many uses of the word "sodomite" in the Old Testament" where the Hebrew text really means "shrine prostitute." Incidentally, this is one of the reasons the fundies don't like the newer, more correct version- fewer gay-bashing passages for them to condemn people with!
B: As thou saidst, we don'te use Ye Olde Englishe anymore, ande many words changeth over time. Forsooth!
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