NO! not if you believe in MacroEvolution!
Microevolution is the Variation WITHIN genetic boundaries; even our own children have different variations in eye, hair and skin color - a better name for microevolution would be micro variation!
However, it is NOT evolution at all because the genetic material and variations already exist.
A worm cannot turn into an eagle! That would be true evolution or what is more commonly known as macroevolution.
When we hear about a frog turning into a prince we KNOW that’s a fairytale – yet when scientists seeking only to be right, not absolute truth, tell us that a salamander turned into a human millions or billions of years ago – we call that Macro evolutionary science instead of Science fiction, which is the more accurate term!
Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism invented by the mind of man!
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"Variation WITHIN genetic boundaries"
Except...there are no boundaries! And it evolution pertains to relevant traits...traits that give a survival or reproductive advantage and thus become more prominent in a population. Eye, hair, and skin color don't qualify much anymore. Hence, why there is no direction in our variation.
Also: Evolution is gradual change and transition from one species to another, slightly different species, happening in countless populations, over an incredibly long period of time. Not an instant transformation. The frog to prince comparison just doesn't cut it.
A worm cannot turn into an eagle! That would be true evolution
No. That would be pompus bullshit.
when scientists seeking only to be right, not absolute truth, tell us that a salamander turned into a human millions or billions of years ago
Wrong again. That's you making shit up.
we call that Macro evolutionary science instead of Science fiction, which is the more accurate term!
And we call the Bible a shitty fairytale which is completely true.
Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism invented by the mind of man!
Fail.
add this to the conspiracy section of this site, but it really looks like all these fundies are working together to write as much idiocy possible all over the internets just to make me read their epic fails and eventually kill me slowly and horribly, the bastards
And when we hear about sky fairies, talking snakes, asbestos bushes, astronomical and meteorological impossibilities, and invisible telepathic flying undead people, we know those are ridiculous lumps of bullshit eagerly devoured by halfwits.
"more commonly known as macroevolution."
You Fail. There is no such thing as micro/macroevolution. These were specious terms that fundies created because they could no longer argue against small changes, but didn't want to admit to the whole lot.
You can get to the top of a sky-scraper by taking one step at a time. It may take a while, but you will still get there [please to note: evolution has no 'top floor'].
So I can step forward 24 inches, or, at most, a meter, but I can't get to the grocery store a block away?
I could've sworn variations in eye, hair, and skin color were due to genetics, but what do I know, I'm just a bio student :(
Fine then. Propose a mechanism that prevents the accumulation of your variance into speciation.
Now propose how we test for such a thing.
What's that you can't?
Then shut the fuck up, liar.
Time scale. Say it with me. Time. Scale. "Macroevolution" (if you must use the term) is just a lot of "microevolution" put together. If you acknowledge one, you acknowledge both. LRN2SCIENCE.
EDIT: Here's an alternate way of putting it. The relevant portion is near the beginning, but the whole thing is worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmUGJ3Jh7fc
Can I offer a scenario? If I drive one hundred miles from my house there might be some slight differences in terms of the geography and flora, but chances are I'll still be in the same state in the same country. Now if I drive a thousand miles I'll probably be in a different state, with a different climate, but I might still be in the same country. Now if I drive 5,000 miles I'll be in a different country, with a different geography, different people, and a different country. Notice how each little mile is not a very big change at all, but after a long period of time those little changes become big changes, until the place I end up in no longer resembles the place I started.
It's the same with evolution. Microevolution is driving 100 miles. Macroevolution is driving 5,000 miles. This is why you almost never hear this terms used by actual evolutionary scientists. They're the same thing.
Of course my scenario is still a pathetic attempt to explain the complex tapestries of the evolutionary tree. I tend to see this amongst so many creationists, this assumption that the life we have here on Earth, all the species of animals that exist here right now, are the only way life can be. Because ultimately the raw material for evolution; genetic mutations, natural disasters, mass extinctions, occur randomly, if even one significant even in Earth's history were changed, Earth's biosphere could have very well ended up looking completely alien in every sense of the word. Why use this example of a worm turning into an eagle? Why not a worm turning into something that we've never even dreamed of before? Because you think that life can only be like it is here, and for such a narrow minded view, I pity the fact that you will never be able to understand how spectacular this thing we call life is.
"Microevolution is the Variation WITHIN genetic boundaries"
And still I have yet to hear any creationist explain what these boundaries are, why they are boundaries or why small changes in genetic structure cant' accumulate to create larger changes over time (which is how the rest of the universe seems to work. A penny isn't' a lot of money. But a penny a day for a billion years is)
Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism invented by the mind of man!
You may well be right there, it certainly defeats the most powerful argument for God's existence, the argument from design.
@Mattural Selection wrote:
"There is no such thing as micro/macroevolution."
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
"These were specious terms that fundies created because they could no longer argue against small changes, but didn't want to admit to the whole lot."
Wrong.
Wrong about the kids, buckwheat. They are different because of a combination of genetic traits from both parents.
And that silly-assed 'worm to eagle'? That isn't how evolution works.
[[Microevolution is the Variation WITHIN genetic boundaries; even our own children have different variations in eye, hair and skin color]]
Wow, who'd a thunk reproduction might have something to do with evolution. I guess none of those variations can ever have had the slightest impact on whether a child grows-up, finds a mate or reproduces, right?
Or do you think there's some sort of federal program at work to stop gene frequencies changing in the population from generation to generation. No Allele Left Behind!
[[However, it is NOT evolution at all because the genetic material and variations already exist.]]
Not even close.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders
[[A worm cannot turn into an eagle!]]
A worm already did.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990322062150.htm
[[Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism invented by the mind of man!]]
No, that title goes to religion. Nothing is more likely to get a man to reject the existence of gods than a good look at his fellow believers.
Right. And I believe in MicroOrbit, which means that the Earth rotates, but not in MacroOrbit, which states that continuerly rotating means it'll eventually have rotated 360 degrees.
Makes perfect sense.
I'm not sure how well-resolved the phylogenies are at that point - inter-phylum relationships can be very difficult indeed and there are many technical debates - but is there *any* evidence at all that the LCA of annelida (assuming this fuckwit doesn't mean nematoda, which I doubt he does since he probably has no idea what they are) and chordata [please excude somewhat out of date taxonomic names] looked anything like a worm?
I doubt it somehow.
Allegory for Jesus: "Except...there are no boundaries!"
Exactly. If creationism was true and every species or "kind" of organism were created separately and distinct from each other, we should be able to put them all into neat little categories with little difficulty or confusion. The fact that scientists are always having reclassifying organisms(e.g.these two species are actually the same, this species should really be two distinct species,etc.) is because there are no clear and cut lines between groups of organisms. The lines just kind of bleed into each other. Scientific classifications are just man trying to put nature in a box. I'm sure if creationism was the real thing we wouldn't have this bullshit about whether the giant panda is really a bear or is it a member of the raccoon family, or if the tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. Okay, that last one was a lame joke, but you get the picture.
If fundies witnessed a worm turning into an eagle, they'd call it a miracle from God, not evolution. And rightly so, since evolution doesn't work that way, nor could it possibly work like that...
Well, there's wrong, and then there's wrong. Then there's MBC H.
[Microevolution is the Variation WITHIN genetic boundaries]
WHAT genetic boundaries? Please be specific.
[A worm cannot turn into an eagle...a salamander turned into a human millions or billions of years ago...]
Show me where in evolutionary theory that any of this is alleged to have happened.
[Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism invented by the mind of man!]
Wrong. Evolution /= atheism. It's not a religious argument, although some people seem to be incapable of making that distinction.
"A worm cannot turn into an eagle!"
Obviously, this guy never attended North Texas State University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flying_Worm.jpg
The school's mascot is the eagle, and the stylized eagle logo we had during my first few years there was affectionately known as the "NTSU flying worm." It has since been replaced in turn by other logos that look more like eagles (and the school is now called University of North Texas).
~David D.G.
Evolution should be a required subject in every school, at every grade level. Not just so people know the truth, but so that if they choose to reject evolution, they at least understand how the theory works.
"Variation WITHIN genetic boundaries"
Those boundaries are of course purely those pertaining to sexual reproduction, and as the populations of sexually reproducing individuals change, those boundaries change with it. Thus whole new species can emerge with new heritable traits not possessed by other members of ancestral populations, and be reproductively distinct. And no, for the last f'ing time, we in no way expect a single worm to magically transform into an eagle or a frog to turn into a prince by any other process than pure f'ing magic.
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