These same Feminists act like they are modern day suffragettes when I'm pretty certain that actual suffragettes would be embarrassed by and reject modern feminists outright.
Ask any of them what they have accomplished in modern times and you will get either a blank stare or a declaration that they achieved better pay for women, which is not at all true.
It used to be that one man could support an entire family on his paycheck.
Now, both genders have to work twice as long for half the pay and most are never able to buy their own homes or other essential assets and both genders suffer from an increased lack of stability in a variety of areas including financially, socially and even in their own families as a direct result of their actions.
We women had a good thing going and Feminists ruined it for the majority of us. I grew up in a Feminist household, trust me, I know the harm it does.
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"It used to be that one man could support an entire family on his paycheck.
Now, both genders have to work twice as long for half the pay and most are never able to buy their own homes or other essential assets"
Because of the wealth transfer from the wealth creating middle class to the 1%.
And it's not the feminists who are doing this.
Yeah, Mister Spak, the symptom she speaks of exists. The analysis she makes of it, errrrm, is erroneous.
Though there are other reasons than the one you cite : the West now has to share primary resources with the rest of the world, which makes them costlier, and mechanically reduces the productivity(and hence the income) of the western worker. That, plus what you said, and you've got a better explanation than "oppression of women is good".
What Mister Spak said.
Also, you don't know who the Suffragettes were & many of them were as "weird" to you as anything!
I'm sure most were "Average Janes" But you also had a ton of atheists, anarchists, free-lovers, mystics & occultists, Communists, lesbians, etc.
Ask Victoria Woodhull.
It used to be that one man could support an entire family on his paycheck.
Thanks to the unions. But Republican economic policies have pretty much destroyed that dream, not feminism. The whole idea of trickle down wealth never worked in practice, and now we have an ever-shrinking middle class with the rich getting richer at the expense of the middle class and poor. Or maybe you haven't heard about the 1%?
But even if one paycheck could still support an entire family, that doesn't mean that women shouldn't work if they want to.
It used to be that one man could support an entire family on his paycheck.
And then rampant unchecked Capitalism hit, where companies will pay as little as possible while charging as much as possible... I wonder what effect that would have on the economy?
Middle class wages have been stagnant since 1978, and even the minimum wage, in some states, is half of what it was in 1968, despite the highest rate of corporate profit in 85 years. Unions, which were responsible for workers finally getting a living wage to begin with, have been decimated, taking us from 30% of workers to less than 6% today. Now the union situation is about to get a whole lot worse, due to last week's "decision" by the Republican operatives on the Supreme Court. Add to that the ridiculous artificial inflation of home prices and rents from a housing bubble that will never correct itself, and inflation on everything else due to fuel prices, thanks to lack of regulation on oil speculators. Or in other words, so-called conservative policies, aka the Republican wet dream.
The suffragettes would be amazed at the things women can do today that they couldn't. But you're partially right; they'd probably be disgusted with today's feminists for not turning out by the hundreds of thousands to protest and threaten to shut shit down over our reproductive rights being taken away.
These same Feminists act like they are modern day suffragettes when I'm pretty certain that actual suffragettes would be embarrassed by and reject modern feminists outright.
This is true and it is infuriating but in no way related to feminism, (not even the crazy bitch variety,) sufferage, equality, race mixing, or anything else a Stormfronter will ever think to point the finger at.
*Shudders, gags*
Twice. I've agreed with a goddamned neo Nazi twice in one issue. (Partially and with conditions, but it's still a dirty feeling.)
Oh, what a nice little bubble you live in! You never heard of work houses? Child labor? The working poor in West Virginia coal country? The Company Store? The Great Depression? Jim Crow? The Projects? "Starving" Armenians-Biafrians-Bangladeshis-Africans-etc? Your nostalgic view of the American Dream stinks like an old sneaker worn with no socks.
BTW, there was a time when they called "trickle down", "Noblesse oblige." This BS has been going on way too long.
I'd guess the suffragettes would ask why we haven't gotten further after all this time? That's the only embarrassment and rejection they would do; think that we are complacent and weak.
What we have accomplished in modern times? Men and women in Sweden share a parental leave of about 16 months per child. PAID leave, that is. Men must take out at least two months and women must take out at least two months, but the rest can be shared however the family wants. We have also achieved better pay for women than before, but not by much...
It used to be that one man could barely support an entire family on his paycheck. With two bread-winners, the family can afford a larger house, a better car, nicer vacation homes and travels. Back in the day when one man supported an entire family, not all families even had a car, nowadays many families have two, maybe three cars. With larger income comes larger wants; that's why both genders now "have" to work.
We ruined your "good thing" of having to wait for your hubby to give you household money, of having to stay with that hubby regardless of how mean or abusive or drinky he was, because you had no way of supporting yourselves? Those were really the days, weren't they?
I grew up in a feminist country. Trust me; I know the good it does! How much paid paternal leave do you have in the US, Katie?
>It used to be that one man could support an entire family on his paycheck.
>Now, both genders have to work twice as long for half the pay
Yea, it's called capitalism. It's called globalization, and free trade. It's the result of big business pouring a shit-ton of money into buying democratic elections, subverting democracy in the developing world, and running a successful PR campaign to convince dip-shits like you that unions are bad, minimum wage is bad, leftist politics are bad, poor people are stupid, lazy and deserve their lot, and that billionaires are all that's holding the world together, bless their heroic, noble and saintly little hearts.
I haven't noticed many feminists being violent or committing acts of terror lately. Perhaps you should learn a bit about the suffragettes.
Economic reality has changed but it isn't the fault of feminism that two salaries are needed to keep a household going instead of one; there are many other factors from technological change and the export of manufacturing jobs to rising standards of living. Many are not able to buy their own homes today, but in those days the great majority in cities could only afford to rent; the very fact that you see buying a home as something most families should aspire to tells us something about how the majority now assume a level of prosperity that, seventy years ago, was confined to the few. And that level of prosperity has been won in large part by the decline in the birth rate and, as Swede points out, women going out to work. Furthermore, many couples and single people today now live in homes that once housed a family of eight where not only the father but a couple of the older children also worked. It's not just the economic system but our expectations as a society that have changed.
The only way one man can support a whole family without resorting to child labor is through the creation of regulated labour and a welfare state.
Kate: AAAAH! NO! That's communism! Socialism! It'll ruin our great country!
@breakerslion
Well, with noblesse oblige, at least SOME wealth actually "trickled down."
Not so with Reaganomics...
@Doubting Thomas:
IIRC, before they had a brainwave and relabeled it as "trickle down", the concept used to be called "the horse and the sparrows." As in, the sparrows would get some of the grain that the horse had been given... in the horse's crap, that is.
Aaaaaand... you blame it on feminism. Not a poor economy. Feminism.
That makes sense. Yup.
(Edit: @solomongrundy: Now my interest in psychology is showing. If you put text written by a transsexual into that guesser, do you think it would guess their sex or their gender? What about in cases of differing sexual orientation? Somehow I don't think that would make too large of a difference, but you can never be sure. Do you know where I can look into this?)
Didn't the ceo of Papa John's just say "If our business is successful and we achieve "excessive" profits, we are under no obligation to share with our employees."
So, it seems to me your problem should be with rich white males and not with feminism.
It used to be that one man could support an entire family on his paycheck.
But that was in the 1950's, back in the day when Europe and Japan were still recovering from war damage and the US had a monopoly. After the rest of the world recovered and came back with newer factories and new technology in the late 60's and early 70's, the US was caught sitting on its hands.
Also a family once starved and was forced to all work from a broom closet too!
Lets bring that back, eh?
Shut up idiot.
1) If you're a woman, I'm a Dutchman.
they achieved better pay for women, which is not at all true.
So if it isn't true, then how would less feminism make things better? That's like saying "blacks are still paid less than whites, so let's bring back Jim Crow".
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