Evolutionist: I believe in the big bang and evolution. If God created the Earth in 6 days, then how come we can see stars 50 billion light years away and therefore events that happened 50 billion years ago?
Creationist (informed): According to evolutionist/big bang circles how old is the universe?
Evolutionist: 13 Billion years! Not 6 six days.
Creationist: So where did the other 37 billion years go?
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As far as I know, we can't see stars 50 billion light years away. And no evolutionist with half a brain would claim that we can. (For one, light intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance, so it's almost certain they couldn't be seen with the naked eye even if the universe had been around long enough.)
However, it is possible to see light from stars more than 13 billion light - years away, since space - time is expanding faster than the speed of light (although this does not defy causality, since no useful information is transmitted)
Your average fundie can't tell the two apart, even though one deals with a massive expansion of spacetime that created the universe, and the other deals with the development and adaptation of life on Earth.
Strictly speaking, Wang, the universe's expansion is slower than the speed of light and the rate of the rate of expansion (if you follow that) is slowing down to the square root of c.
As to FB, what the fuck. You can't cite an argument that never happened with an "evolutionist" that doesn't exist about science nobody has ever used to prove your point. Then again, you're in good company.
Where are 50 Billion and 13 Billion coming from? Citing references would be cool.
The 37 other billion years went to Belize and had a fabulous time. The pre-Columbian ruins were so beautiful. Thereafter, they went on this fantastic junket to Montreal. The food! The night life! The people!!
Next week - Iceland and Estonia!
Where are the stars 50 billion lightyears away?
I was under the impression that the most distant imaged objects were around, oh...13 billion lightyears away. Linky
There might be objects farther away if the initial expansion was faster than light...but if the universe is only 13.6 billion years old, we'll never see them, ever.
Have you ever noticed that the only time a fundie ever wins an argument is when, like Jack Chick and FunkyBrother here, they get to make up both sides of the debate.
And even then their success rate is only ~50%!
Well, overlooking all the other stupidity in the thread, it is quit possible for objects to be more light-years farther than the age of the universe - objects traveling in different directions for instance.
Who the bloody hell ever said the universe was 13 billion years old? Do you have any idea how big the universe is? At the very least, our tiny little corner of the universe is 13 billion years old. The rest of it....who the hell knows? The oldest sections of the universe, which is still expanding outward and therefore isn't yet done being created, could be trillions and trillions of years old. We don't know, and we likely never will.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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