Why do evolutionists trust their own minds?
When creationists point out the glory of God's design haven't you heard them pick and choose examples of what they consider "bad design". But as they believe no God and believe in evolution this would show that evolution produces bad design. That could include their own brain which could be very flawed and require mutations to improve until it is adequate to comment on how it got there.
So, I don't see how evolutionists can trust their own minds or seriously convince anybody else that anyone else can trust their own minds or indeed if they themselves have adequate minds to make such a decision.
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That's actually a decent question, our minds are pretty poorly designed and is prone to playing tricks on us.
But I fail to see how believing we were made perfect changes that.
I just do the best I can with what I have which is all you can ask of anyone.
Scientists don't trust their own minds and perceptions. That's why they use SCIENCE, a set of tools to determine what is almost certainly true.
And Evolution is not just an idea in someone's head, we have fossils and genetics. You have the ideas in some bronze age farmer's head.
Also Evolution simply doesn't work that way, we evolve to live, not excel. If anything poor design proves that god either sucks or doesn't care.
Scarlets79 shows how God probably doesn't exist.
When creationists point out the glory of God's design they might be misrepresenting the reality of the situation. If their mind was flawed because of an evolutionary mutation, for example, then how can we trust what they say.
Their flawed mind might make them predisposed to fantasy. So that they fantasize about Gods. Therefore God does not exist, and is just a fantasy in Scarlets79's flawed mind.
A flawed mind might leave one as a lover of hatred and bigotry. It might leave one as being congenitally stupid and gullible. Who knows how much a deluded and slavering wreck it might leave one as.
Yes, you might of unwittingly hit the nail on the head there Scarlets79.
Once again, Scarlets79 introduces a subject that fundies even deem unremarkable. And yet? A fundy provides our best ammunition.
Imperfect "creations" are the best evidence of an imperfect creator. "The Creator" claims to be perfect. So?
The "Creator" lies. If the "Creator" lies, why should we believe the "Creator" is the "Creator"? Why, indeed, should we believe there is a "Creator"? It would seem that the "Creator" has disproved Its own existence.
evolution has no goals. it doesn't design or plan anything, it happens, and that's life. evolution is nothing, and everything.
Philosophy and Biology do not mix.
Next up, why do Economists believe in altruism when they should know that self-interest is the ultimate goal?
see, this is the reason skeptic atheists DON'T trust their own mind. that's where the skepticism comes in. and the scientific method, which is set up to weed out human error
bloody hell, people are stupid.
"Why do evolutionists trust their own minds?"
My mind may not be worth much any more but it's a damn sight better than your petty, petulant, irrational, sadistic, immature, whiny little baby of a god.
"That could include their own brain which could be very flawed and require mutations to improve until it is adequate to comment on how it got there. "
Fundie brains obviously have not aquired this mutation.
"Why do evolutionists trust their own minds?"
"When creationists point out the glory of God's design haven't you heard them pick and choose examples of what they consider "bad design"."
"But as they believe no God and believe in evolution this would show that evolution produces bad design."
"That could include their own brain which could be very flawed and require mutations to improve until it is adequate to comment on how it got there."
"So, I don't see how evolutionists can trust their own minds or seriously convince anybody else that anyone else can trust their own minds or indeed if they themselves have adequate minds to make such a decision. "
Bad design =/= unservicable
A car may work just fine, even if it is the most inefficient design ever...
Geez.
Religion requires belief and faith in a God. Fair enough, no quibbles there, it's not illegal. Science, including evolution, requires evidence. People who follow the evidential based path are hardly likely to suddenly acquire faith in a belief that must remain unsubstantiated.
It's folly to pretend that religion has a scientific basis or that science has a religious basis. It's fairly obvious that one is about the supernatural and the other about what is natural. I don't see the need to continue with the pointless pretense that it can be otherwise. It is demeaning to those fundamental practitioners who must make themselves look like demented idiots and demeaning for their religion.
In fact, the last sentence in Scarlets79's quote reads like the rambling of a demented idiot.
Ordinary Christians are embarrassed by fundies and are fed up with having to face-palm every time the lunatics open their fundie gobs.
None of them swung on their little perches, played with the little bell, or ate their yummy word salad, yum yum.
Evolution produces poor designs all the time. That's what a genetic defect is.
And there are plenty of cases where people's minds CAN'T be trusted, for any number of reasons (mental illness, optical illusions, etc.).
And we have things like logic and reason and independently-verifiable evidence for our assertions. So people don't have to trust us. They can figure it out for themselves.
So, I'm not sure what this guy is saying.
Or rather, I'm sure this guy is saying nothing of note.
You're confusing the concepts of 'imperfect' and 'unworkable'.
Evolution doesn't produce design, at all. It's all trial-and-error, good-enough-for-now, no thought-process behind, no goal except survival and procreation.
If the mind is such a bad design, and you believe your god designed it; is your god a poor designer?
Most people who accept evolution as fact are religious. It's not a case of either god or biology. It's simply a case of "religion is not science". Just as gods are irrelevant in science, pavements are irrelevant in cooking.
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