[Bad Religion did a Christmas album]
Using the left’s “logic,” since this groups criticizes a very sizable percentage of the country, religious people, they should be dropped from their record company and shunned. Any sponsors they have should be forced to apologize and issue statements saying how much they disagree with their songs. So what if their free speech rights are violated, they offended (and deliberately too) many millions of people. That’s all that counts in lib land. Very shortly I expect many national news outlets and talking heads will condemn these jokers for their material. But I won’t hold my breath.
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What's leftist logic with abolishing free speech? They have the right to say and sing whatever they want, and others have the right to buy or not buy their products. With free speech comes responsibility for what you're saying, silly.
Isn't it mostly the religious right who complains about being offended by trivial things like music and lyrics? The left complains about actual human beings having their human rights really violated.
Using your 'logic', you can't criticise anything anybody says, ever, nor can you fire anybody for making your product look bad.
Also, Dixie Chicks. Now fuck off.
Let me guess, you people are still butthurt over the Duck Dynasty thing, aren't you? And looks like you're even more butthurt over the fact that people can criticize Christianity without a huge controversy.
They won't be dropped because the album will make a lot of money. When employees do things that make the company look bad and inspire boycotts (like Robertson did) they get punished. When employees do things that earn a company lots of money, they get rewarded (unless someone steals their work).
So what have you got against capitalism Kaslin? Are you a leftist?
I remember argueing with a guy about ticket prices going up for the towns hockey team. I said good, you want them you pay for them, 85% of this town doesn't care in any way and doesn't use the building they get taxed on in any way.
Well off he went on how does Micheal Jackson deserve his money? (late 1990s)
Supply and demand which he didn't get and neither does this asshat.
Also, secular bands usually produce the best Christmas music and the most popular Christmas music is by far secular hits.
So many of these guys talk about the Constitution, yet they clearly don't understand how free speech works. The government cannot censor. Business owners can. I would not have suspended the Duck Dynasty guy, but that isn't my call to make. So, yeah, if the executives of the company were Christians, they would have the right to ask Bad Religion to tone it down or face consequences. But they haven't. That, too, is their choice.
You forget that sponsors and record labels also have the ability to decide whether or not to give a shit about you personally being offended. If you want to give them an incentive, boycott the band. That's how the free market you conservatives always screech about is supposed to work. But no, you believe in a "free" market where gays, atheists, and liberals should always be boycotted but if someone boycotts, say, Chick-fil-A then all of the sudden that's wrong, immoral, unAmerican, and anti-capitalist. In other words, the market is only a "free" market when it benefits you and your ideas.
Yeah, bankrupt and shun all people who don't validate my religious delusions.
P.S. I support your right not to buy that album.
since this groups criticizes a very sizable percentage of the country, religious people, they should be dropped from their record company and shunned.
Why? You got something against capitalism, commie?
Yes, and Kaslin can French my ass.
On the happier side of this news, the following from the KROQ press release:
"Although Bad Religion had played many Christmas songs in the past, mostly during the KROQ Almost Acoustic Christmas shows, the band had reportedly turned down offers to release a Christmas album. After three days of speculation, the official announcement of Christmas Songs came via Epitaph press release on September 10, 2013. 20% of the proceeds from Christmas Songs will go to SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests)."
So BR just did more to help those in need then all your bitching and whining about Jeebus.
So what if their free speech rights are violated, they offended (and deliberately too) many millions of people.
You don't have the right to not be offended, and you and your ilk offend me plenty, but I still think you have the right to free speech. It isn't only for those you like, it's for everyone.
Also no one is forcing you to buy their album.
Like my mother used to say "Get over your big bad self."
Unless incitement, slander and liebel are involved then no. You can have your Christian Rock, Gospel, Rapping Rabbis, and Islamic Death Metal, we'll have our everything else.
Let's pretend Duck Dynasty wasn't a PR plot: if those in charge of Bad Religion believed they should be punished, they would be. They weren't. A boycott might help it be so.
The channel in charge of Duck Dynasty decided to 'punish', and not 'lose money'.
Both groups still have free speech, but they may not always get money. Is it all clear now?
While unsure on the group# view due to unfamiliarity, self inflicted not a fan, bad religion in most contexts means misusing religion, not that religion is bad in and of itself. Of course though it can still mean the latter.
Ok, some civics 101.
Freedom of speech is between the individual and the government. It also extends between private enterprise and the government. However it does not extend between the individual and private enterprise.
Kaslin is free to state their opinion about the Christmas album. Nobody is stopping them or Bad Religion from releasing it.
They have a niche market. You people are too stupid to realize the difference between market forces and governmentally protected free speech. I'm guessing the offended people are already shunning it because it's called Bad Religion. So that's exactly the same thing, moron. Social shunning is what you do when there's free speech and you don't like it, and you're already doing it.
Let me make this perfectly clear:
A&E is allowed to ban, or not ban, whatever they want on their channel. That is the company's right to free speech in action. Pat Robertson also has the right to say whatever he wants. That is his right to free speech in action. A&E has the right to give him money, or not, and to put his stuff on the air, or not. More of those rights. Nobody did anything illegal in that entire Duck Dynasty fiasco; it was all social pressure, economic forces, and contact negotiation.
The same is true of Bad Religion. The fact that they are not having the same trouble is a sign of the times.
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