the best way to get persecuted is to put Jesus on your facebook page. the true mark of a Christian is persecution.
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the true mark of a Christian is persecution.
"ack903" has no clue what persecution is.
And to talk about "persecution" is a little bit absurd in a country where >70% of the populace calls itself "christians", and Atheists are regarded as the most distrusted minority.
All this "We pooooor Christians are persecuted!!!"-blabber is nothing but a big calculated lie, a pathetic appeal to emotion, a shameless attempt of emotional blackmail.
You know what real persecution is? It's being carted off to special camps where you - and all who think/believe/look like you - are put to death in one way or another.
Someone who disagrees with you, or challenged/mocks your beliefs, is not persecuting you. Get over yourself .
Putting Jesus on your Facebook page might get people to think you're a preachy sanctimonious moron, but it won't get you tortured and killed for your beliefs.
Yes, poor, poor you, a persecuted minority, forced to have meetings in secret, risking your life and freedom if anyone finds out you're a Christian.
Oh, wait... Having church bells tolling high and wide each and every Sunday is not really that secret.
*That might not be an accurate figure of actual religiosity. I'm still a member of the Swedish Church, for example.
"the best way to get persecuted is to put Jesus on your facebook page."
"the true mark of a Christian is persecution."
This unhealthy desire to be persecuted, is sad.
People ridiculing your silly beliefs is not persecution. Having your property, life, or liberty taken away because of your religion, is.
@Aspergus:
I wouldn't say "practically."
You guys remind me of Tom Sawyer in the early chapters of Huckelberry Finn. Tom wants to start a gang of thieves, and the books he's read say that a gang has to ransom prisoners. Tom doesn't know what ransom means but insists that they have to do it in order to have a proper gang.
Protip: You want know the best way to be persecuted for being a Christian? Have Chick tracts translated into Arabic and start handing them out in Saudi Arabia. Gonna get started on that, Sparky? Yeah, didn't think so.
A Christian has several distinguishing marks that identify him or her:-
1) A tendency to poe.
Love, Pule
No, the best way to get persecuted is to list "Atheist" as your religion, or publicly admit to any non-heterosexual-missionary-position-on-Friday-evenings-for purposes-of-producing-children-preferably-male sexual preference anywhere.
The true mark of a Christian is persecution.
As I mentioned in a previous comment section, while I do believe that some fundies WANT to feel persecuted, I do believe it's deeper than that.
Their holy book tells them that they'll be persecuted to the end of time and that the world will hate them until it comes before the judgment of the Great White Throne. The complete disparity between what they are taught to believe and what they see expressed with their own two eyes does a real head number on them. They have to imagine the most insidious, subtle plots behind the smiling facades of everyone who does not believe as they do. This is why so many of them buy into the nuttiest of conspiracy theories. Everything is a sliding slope when you hold it to be an axiomatic truth that people who otherwise seem nice want to brutally murder you and indoctrinate your children into Satan worship.
This is also the primary reason as to why, as our society advances, these people become increasingly insane. On the surface, life is easier, more tolerant, more open than ever... and therefore the plots must be all that much more subtle and evil!
Cognitive dissonance is an ugly, ugly thing. It is the primary cause for EVERYTHING that is wrong with America today. Most of it is a direct result of the awful things the Bible says. This right here is a direct reason as to why the New Testament is every bit as dangerous as the Old.
In America, the only people persecuting christians are other christians. Ask Catholics what they think of Protestants and vice versa. Not to mention that many christians are bigoted, small-minded pricks who have it coming. It's self-fulfilling prophecy, nothing more.
"the best way to get persecuted is to put Jesus on your facebook page. the true mark of a Christian is persecution."
Someone disagreeing with you on a website or, more strongly, telling you that you're full of shit is not "persecution," jackass.
Persecution is when the government kicks down your door in the middle of the night, arrests you, confiscates your property, imprisons you without trial and puts you in a forced labor camp--because of your religion/sexuality/general dislike/etc .
Persecution is when people threaten you with grievous bodily harm and/or death because they don't happen to like the particular imaginary friend you talk to or they don't like who you want to marry or they don't like your particular shade of skin.
See the difference?
"the true mark of a lunatic-fringe cult is a paranoid belief in persecution."
There. Fixed.
Sure, Christians were persecuted in 1st century Rome when the NT was being written. But guess what? The persecution stopped in the 4th century and the "end times" didn't come.
"the best way to get persecuted is to put Jesus on your facebook page. the true mark of a Christian is persecution."
I've met and talked with a survivor of the Nazis' ultimate death factory, Auschwitz.
You lot on Ruptured Retards know nothing of 'Persecution'.
Besides, I thought you couldn't be a 'True Christian' if you weren't being persecuted? Drop trou, bend over and take that pain, bitch:
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BDSM for the Lord!
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The best way to get persecuted is to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran, and start handing out Bibles in Arabic.
Maybe if you did go learn what persecution is like in a theocracy, Hack903, you wouldn't call for Christian-only rule in the United States.
Move to Egypt and start talking about Jesus. If you live, report back to us on how that compares with putting Jesus on your Facebook page.
With any luck, you'll survive and actually have half a clue what persecution is.
@ Pule Thamex
>> magnificent tented camel commanders. <<
Ahyuck hyuck *snort*
12. Know exactly how you ought to live.
13. Consider their own ignorant selves to be the be-all, end-all of the entire creation and the personal darling of The One who makes it all happen.
Wow, and here I thought my lingering fear every time we got a new person in management that I might lose my job quietly and without warning was bad. I thought having to hide my pentacle every time I go to the doctor, mechanic, to get housing, looking for a job or any other kind of service was hard.
Nope.. apparently, the real persecution is putting Jesus up on your Facebook.
Wow..
Most of my friends on Facebook are Christians. A lot of them post stuff about God & Jesus regularly. I've never seen any persecution happen to them as a result. I've never even seen any negative comments to their religious posts, even though I've felt like sharing my real views on the subject. If you want persecution, you'll have to try harder.
Why do you need to go to such a pointlessly stupid place as Facebook? I mean, you are already in RR.
It probable/possible to make a case that those held in Guantanamo, being detained without trial, undergoing waterboarding, no indication of prospect of release, were being persecuted. Now how does the average Christian's experience of America compare with that?
The true mark of a Christian is persecution.
Stop doing it!
Yes, I know Hertziscowicz said it first, I'm just seconding it.
It's weird that you wish this on yourself. Perhaps you are mentally ill, or have some strange notion that suffering persecution somehow makes you nobler (wonder where you would get such an idea?). Here's a newsflash chummy. It doesn't. It makes you miserable. It makes you fearful. Very often it makes you sick or injured. Sometimes it even makes you dead. It does not, under any circumstances, make you a True Christian (TM).
You do not even know what persecution is. Until you have taken time to find out, and perhaps digest the reality of real persecution, perhaps you should refrain from polluting the fine highways of the intertubes with your crap.
Since Jesus told you to worship privately and not show off your piety like so much jewelry, the mark of a true Christian is that they don't post Jesus everywhere, yet believe fully inside themselves.
Persecution is not part of being a Christian.
the true mark of a Christian is persecution
Oh, so is THAT why you guys are always trying to take away the rights of minorities? Oh wait, you meant that YOU'RE the ones getting persecuted, didn't you? You know, you guys are just like those suburban teens that bitch about how hard life is for them when their only problems in life are a couple hours of homework and having to do some chores or like those spoiled rich kids on MTV that treat every minor inconvenience as if it's the end of the fucking world. You have it way too good here and you're STILL not happy. Christians in the middle east would kill to be in your situation and since you claim to love being persecuted so much why don't you trade places with them? Go on, asshole, do it. Or are you too much of a fat and lazy hypocrite?
@Chamale
Maybe if you did go learn what persecution is like in a theocracy, Hack903, you wouldn't call for Christian-only rule in the United States.
And that right there highlights the insanity of fundamentalist Christianity: they want to rule over every other person in the world with an iron fist and convert everyone while still being the poor, persecuted minority.
This persecution complex by certain Christians in places like Europe and North America irritates me. Just because in supposed free and democratic countries not everyone wants to conform to their idea of how to live and what to worship, does not mean they are persecuted. A Christmas card with Seasonal Greetings should and indeed does not mean persecution. No one stops them from buying Christmas cards with the Nativity on it, or going to midnight mass. Instead this whinging just cheapens it for those Christians who live in countries where they are being persecuted. For example Pakistan, there are Christians imprisoned under blasphemy laws with the death penalty hanging over their heads. That is persecution! And while I’m having this rant can anyone explain to me why if God/Allah/YHWH is so powerful that he needs human laws to protect his over sensitive and seemingly fragile ego?
In that case, you can't be a Christian, since I doubt you've ever been persecuted in your life. People questioning your beliefs or even taking the piss out of you does not equate to being thrown in a gas chamber or fed to lions.
I have an idea!
Go to a place where Christians actually ARE being persecuted, like Iraq!
Then your dreams will come true... I think...
So most American atheists are christians? So most American Muslims are christians?
And how do you like that one..it translates into: "you arent doing the christian thing unless you have forced yourself onto as many people as possible and they hate you for it."
"Yes, the long war on Christianity. I pray that one day we may live in an America where Christians can worship freely! In broad daylight! Openly wearing the symbols of their religion... perhaps around their necks? And maybe -- dare I dream it? -- maybe one day there can be an openly Christian President. Or, perhaps, 43 of them. Consecutively."
For the n+1-th time:
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See this is interesting psychologically. I've noticed this with evangelical Christians. If you believe that "the true mark of a Christian is persecution" then you will go out of your way to be annoying and intrusive, cramming your beliefs down people's throats, and if they react with annoyance or anger, you will get a feeling of justification, and think that you're doing something right. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And here I thought the true mark of a Christian was to feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, do what you could to ease the suffering of the afflicted, protect the weak, and aid the poor. And that the persecution you get as a result was because doing any or all of these things will eventually enrage the powerful, the heartless and the cruel--you know, the people who think that the poor, the sick and the weak should suck the dicks of those in power, keep to themselves, and die quietly to make room for more "useful" people.
My bad.
Seriously, though, you might want to work on that. If you want to be persecuted, there's better ways to go about it than just being obnoxious dickholes, like some mob of latter-day Circumcellions. People who treat others like they'd like others to treat them eventually start pissing off people who want society to run on the law of the jungle.
What if a candidate for public office puts something other than "Evangelical Christian" down for religion in his/her bio? Ahteists, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and others not in the minority will be persecuted by religious bigots and their allies in the press in this so-called secular state.
Real persecution is hard and unpleasant. Real persecution for (gasp!) doing the right thing is painful. It hurts you. It hurts the people around you. Real persecution is when other people are willing and eager to kill you and even your friends and loved ones for doing nothing more than trying to quietly live your life in peace.
Real persecution is HARD. So it's a lot easier to be an obnoxious shitcock, treat others like garbage, and then pretend that the real reason they don't like you is because you're a Christian in a country that's 85% Christian.
You don't know what persecution is. Or real hunger. Or hardship. Or having to keep quiet about what you believe in or how the people around you are treated lest an angry mob tear you apart. People living in Iran, North Korea, parts of rural India, and China would point at you and laugh in disbelief. I promise you they'd trade places with in a heartbeat. And I also promise you that if you ever DID experience a tenth the persecution they endure on a daily basis, you'd fucking cave.
Well, and all this time I thought the true mark of a Christian is accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and showing it by following His teachings of being compassionate, loving, accepting, not being vengeful, not being prideful, and so on.
But apparently, according to ack903, that doesn't mean crap unless you are being persecuted, or at least feel like you're being persecuted.
I think everyone else has said it well. They should be thankful to live in a country where the majority of the population adhere to Christianity in some way. Try going to other countries where religious freedom isn't tolerated as much if at all if you want to be persecuted so badly. I bet you won't ever want that feeling ever again.
Hey, I have a fun idea for you! Go up to a Holocaust survivor or the direct descendant of one and go tell that person all about how persecuted you are. Not only will you have a chance to recount your harrowing tale but as a bonus benefit you'll have a lot less teeth that you'll need to brush afterward!
You know, as a Christian, I "put Jesus" on my Facebook page and I'll get a few likes from my Christian friends and a few comments from my atheist friends disagreeing. But I have never been "persecuted for it. HOWEVER, the second I post something in support of evolution, women's/gay rights, enviromentalism, progressive/liberalism and non-Christian religious rights or something that is critical of conservatives, Christian fundamentalism, creationism, the suppression of human rights, etc, I will always receive a hateful barrge of comments from Christians, usually stuff about how I'm going to hell for having a differing opinion.
When my Christian friends post something I never see any persecution, yet when my atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, gay, liberal or just plain non-Christians friends post something I will often see what you would call persecution from their Christian friends.
I can safely say that my atheist Facebook friends have shown far more respect towards others with different views than my Christian Facebook "friends".
@Mike Sihl:
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Also, please enjoy these cookies, compliments of the other people who, like you, aren't nuts:
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"the best way to get persecuted is to put Jesus on your facebook page."
And I thought that, according to Buzzardnuts, one couldn't get sucked off by your J-man and receive your golden crown & jewelled mansion if you weren't quoted here in FSTDT?
Show some consistency, internets-wise, RR. And speaking of internets...
@Mike Sihl
Seconding Tempus. And have a round of applause from me too:
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As for ack903...:
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PROTIP: Those who don't want their beliefs laughed at, shouldn't have such funny beliefs. This means you , ack1903, and everyone else at Ruptured Retards.
@CohibaMan, I like your analysis. It makes the most sense out of the fundie behavior I've seen so far.
the true mark of a Christian is persecution. Of course, they mean Christians persecuting unbelievers, who no doubt deserve it.
I've seen a lot of people in DeviantArt who place the "I believe in Jesus Christ my savior" thing in their signature and they are not persecuted.
Unless they start spewing bile and marching in their high horses. That's when people will "persecute" them. And by "persecute" I mean telling them to shut the fuck up.
Or, more likely, you will find people from your ilk who probably would have never met in your life(and will not in person, for that matter)and will make new friends. That's the usual procedure.
@SeekerLancer
"I'll stop persecuting you when you stop persecuting me.
No? I didn't think so."
'The Puritans didn't leave England to escape persecution, but to find a country in which they could freely persecute others'
-Gore Vidal
the true mark of a Christian is persecution.
yup, you're right there. Or a fundie christian anyway. As to who is being persecuted and who is doing the persecuting... I think we'll disagree on that one.
I don't think too many give a shit if you put a picture of some dude who is either dead or never existed on your Facebook page. It might raise the ocasional snigger or giggle, but if you think that amounts to persecution I suggest you start reading some history books.
You could start by reading up on what happened to Germany's Jews in the 1930s and 40s.
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