TO THE ATHEISTS: Do you actually know where your belief system came from? There is actually a bible that states your entire belief system. It's called the Satanic Bible. After hearing this, are you still willing to subscribe to your beliefs? :(
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION. It's beyond religion. Religion was an invention of man. Christianity was an invention by God. Religion is salvation by good works.
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If Christianity is not a religion, then it shouldn't receive the tax exemptions and Constitutional protection that come with being a religion. By the way, regarding salvation by good works, what do fundies make of the parable of the sheep and the goats?
Religion is salvation by good works. You mean, like... Christianity?
"That's Satanism you idiot."
Hell, that's not even Satanism. Real Satanists are a subgroup of atheists.
Oyvind: James is playing another one of the fundie redefinition games. In his little book, only faith will get you into Heaven, and good works mean nothing. So you can be as big an asshole as you want as long as you're willing to throw yourself at Jesus's feet at the right moments.
There is actually a bible that states your entire belief system. It's called the Satanic Bible.
Sure, atheism didn't exist until that book was published.
Or maybe not.
What makes you think atheists will be frightened at a hinted connection with another entity they don't believe exists?
For saying that, I demand you change your name, lest you bring the name James, especially that of James Clerk Maxwell, into disrepute.
I'm a Christian. I've read The Satanic Bible . I have a lot of atheist friends. Not a single one of them lives their life by the principles put forth in LaVey's book; not one of them. In fact, on the whole, the Christians I know are closer to living their lives by those principles than the atheiests....
To James. I believe in neither god or satan. They are both entities created by humans millennia ago. Atheism is the LACK of belief in a supreme being, or any other associated supernatural creation. I believe in science, evolution, and trying to get on with my life and being the best person I can possibly be.
Christianity IS a religion. Look up any dictionary and see the definition of religion.
Anton LaVey was a a circus-tent charlatan on par with any of the Southern Baptist "faith-healers" out there.
And anyway, the idea of an anthropomorphic devil (which LaVey didn't even believe in) is every bit as ridiculous as the idea of an anthropomorphic god, so fuck off.
James, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Let me enlighten you:
- The Satanic Bible has nothing to do with Satan; in fact, the writer (Anton LaVey), didn't even believe in Satan or God. The title was mostly for shock value.
- LaVey was as much a crock as Crowley; most Satanists even know this, and so they generally only follow a form of selfish atheism.
- Atheists will not be frightened by erroneous association with a figure they don't believe in.
- Christianity is a religion, or at least a collection of related religions. If it weren't, Christian churches would not be tax-exempt, nor would there be any grounds to claim 'religious discrimination' when you think yourself persecuted.
I do sound and direct for a small-time TV preacher who claims that his show isn't about religion. Well...
Last time I directed his show, I was trying to do the cuts like a concert video, because religious or not, it was dry as dust. At least he doesn't try to convert me all that frequently.
I do sound and direct for a small-time TV preacher who claims that his show isn't about religion. Well...
Last time I directed his show, I was trying to do the cuts like a concert video, because religious or not, it was dry as dust. At least he doesn't try to convert me all that frequently.
That must be a short book indeed. I mean, how many pages does it take to say "Atheists don't believe in gods"?
Really, you think because someone wrote my belief(or lack thereof) in a book, I would doubt it because of its title? If someone copied the Bible in a book intitled "the most evil book ever", would you convert?
Considering that I don't actually believe Satan exists I wouldn't really care at all. It would be a funny coincidence if the Satanic bible held many of my views and opinion, but I've never read it so I can't really comment.
Also, atheism is not a belief system much like bald is not a hair color.
Christianity is a religion because it was stated by a man called Jesus Christ and his followers set the cult the way we know it. It is well documented, unlike the Satanic Bible you speak about, which is not possesed by any atheist I know.
"After hearing this, are you still willing to subscribe to your beliefs?"
No I'm not, You've shown me the error of my ways, I'm no longer an atheist. From now on I'll just be a human being who doesn't believe in God. It's basically exactly the same thing but I won't have to eat as many babies.
@Man Called True
Real Satanists are a subgroup of atheists.
Ahem, WHAT? Firstly, what is a real Satanist? And a subgroup of, waitaminute, Atheists ? Why? Because they don't worship a god but Satan? Well if they worship Satan then they treat Satan as their god, don't they? And if they don't worship anyone, then they are not Satanists, are they? I mean, I'm sorry, but are you new to this whole Atheism thing? Hellooo...?
Again.
There is no Satanism, only you people believe in him. He's your figure of evil.
Anton Leveys Satanic Bible and organization is an Atheist joke on the tax systems of the USA. Tax-free status for any belief that follows these three :
Has a Leader ( doesn't have to be alive, hence the book)
Has a holy book
Has ritural practiced
Believes in a higher power
Four!, four elements of bullshit to be a religion, and you thought we needed proof to be legit. Ha! We just need the devotion. Five! Five reasons we can be a religion! Even in legal terms Religion is a fully loaded shit train thats arrived in bullshitville.
Am I willing to believe in a book that tells men that they're not allowed to lay hands on a woman without her consent, as opposed to a book that advocates forcing a rape victim to BE SOLD TO HER RAPIST?
Yes. Yes, I am.
You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, and we won't shove our beliefs down each other's throats and we'll all get along swimmingly. Savvy?
“TO THE ATHEISTS: Do you actually know where your belief system came from?”
I don’t believe in gods. That’s not a system. Just not finding any of the arguments compelling.
“There is actually a bible that states your entire belief system. It's called the Satanic Bible.”
Nope. Don’t believe in Satan, either, that’s your myth.
“After hearing this, are you still willing to subscribe to your beliefs?”
The only way i’ll stop NOT BELIEVING in gods is if someone can convince me gods are real. Threatening me with other characters in the same myth, not really a good argument.
“CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION.”
Then we should tax the churches. Pastors with more than one plane, certainly.
“Religion is salvation by good works.”
Argue within your myth or with other mythicists, i really don’t care.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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