Are you saying that the apes in the jungles are not apes? What are you calling them? Therefore, when you claim that humans can breed with apes, you are also including the beasts in the jungle unless you are saying they are not apes. Therefore, you cannot claim that humans can breed with apes unless you change the name of the beasts in the jungle to a different name which then defeats the whole point of evolution by saying that humans came from apes. But again, this kind of contradiction and irrationality is what happens when people try to make one species into another.
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The context of this one may have been lost in the quotation, as I had no idea what this guy was trying to say.
I went to the forum linked, and let me tell you... wow. Never before have I encountered such a level of misunderstading. Most of the "arguments" are based on unfounded assumptions about the topic.
If you ask me, a certain quote from Charles Babbage seems to apply quite well:
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
This quote later in the thread is good too. It occurs after another poster explains that humans ARE apes, which is a larger classification of animals, and therefore when two humans breed, a human is breeding with an ape. Since, you know, THEY'RE BOTH APES. AND BOTH HUMAN.
He responds with:
"Actually, to save you the trouble of either contradicting yourself or incriminating yourself, Nuggins, you have just proven that evolution is based on a lie. Your overt declaration that humans can breed with apes has said it all. It is not only again, pervserse, but a lie as well. It also shows the myriad of contradictions in the theory of evolution because when I've said that evolutionists suggest bestiality, I was severely chastized for it but now an evolutionist himself has verified that that's what evolutonists believe which is a false belief. So since I previously stated that I will not debate with an evolutionist if he contradicts himself, or takes back any staments,I have proven the theory of evolution a lie and this debate is over. But I must admit, it didn't take very long to prove evolution a lie, and by an evolutionist himself in a formal debate, no less."
Now, everyone imagining this woman having children with jcrawford.
The horror! Imagine Edmond and Dad somehow entered the equation as Godfathers, and you have one messed up critter.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
That says it all.
The only ones confused about the close linking of Human to Apes are creationists.
We both come from similar animals, not from each other. That's made clear in every explanation I've ever seen until religion is added.
It's obvious the main tactic against evolution is to claim it states things it doesn't
“Are you saying that the apes in the jungles are not apes?”
I’m guessing, not.
“What are you calling them?”
Apes. There are five kinds of great apes.
“Therefore, when you claim that humans can breed with apes, you are also including the beasts in the jungle unless you are saying they are not apes.”
Nope.
Humans is apes. So you can accurately state:
humans can breed with apes = humans can breed with Human s= Apes can breed with ape s= Apes can breed with humans.
But the five species cannot interbreed.
“ Therefore, you cannot claim that humans can breed with apes unless you change the name of the beasts in the jungle to a different name which then defeats the whole point of evolution by saying that humans came from apes.”
Aside from the fact that that’s NOT what evolution says…
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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