Sharron Angle #fundie

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Angle's remarks about the Second Amendment and Reid came earlier this year on a conservative radio talk show, "The Lars Larson Show." She said that "if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, 'My goodness what can we do to turn this country around? And I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

She did not explain what she meant by "Second Amendment remedies" in Tuesday's interview.
Reid campaign spokesman Jon Summers said, "It wasn't a gaffe, it is a philosophy. She has repeated that language many times."

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old comment by dionysus

Fuck you, that's not the way democracy is supposed to work. We dealt with 8 years of Dubbya AND a Republican congress without attempting to assassinate any of them despite all the damage they caused, why can't you ultra conservitards just suck it up until the next election like we had to?

@Xotan
Or is this a death threat? If it is, why is she not already behind bars?

Notice how the threat was phrased:
if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, 'My goodness what can we do to turn this country around? And I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

She's saying that this is what people are saying, not what she is saying so she is implying that this isn't her idea, which is a sneaky way of making a death threat without having to take personal responsibility for it and it also makes it seem like many people agree.

old comment by Mister Spak

I see a lot of non-americans asking what is Harry Reid and the Second Amendment.

If you want to understand the retardation of American fundies, start googleing. This is a highly concentrated example of it.

Harry Reid is the leader of the Democratic party in the senate. He is also a senator from Nevada. That makes him a target for fundie dumbshittery.

Two candidates from the Republic party challenged him. One was Sue Lowden who became famous for solving Americas health care problems by proposing to pay doctors with chickens. The other was Angle. She won the primary election, so instead of paying doctors with farm products we will shoot Harry Reid.

The campaigns of both of these people are full of FSTDT worthy material. Angle proposes to not allow abortion in case of rape, because the rape was gods plan. She wants to shut down social security and medicare but has the sense to use different words so she doesn't lose the election right then and there. She thinks it would be a good idea to outlaw alcohol in spite of the spectacular failure the last time we tried it. (google prohibition)

The Second Amendment is a fundie fetish in America. There is a terrorist watch list where people on it have their bank accounts and travel monitored, they can't buy explosives or chemicals used to make them etc.

Someone in the Obama white house suggested they not be allowed to buy assault rifles but the fundies shot that down because the Second Amendment says anyone can have a gun. These are the same fundies who think we should shoot everyone who looks like an arab.

Grab some popcorn and your googler and watch the show.

old comment by dionysus

@Xotan

Thanks. That's a very fine line.

I agree, and the talking heads are very good at skirting that line without ever explicitly crossing it. Usually they take advantage of technicalities such as the one used here.

In other countries even a veiled threat like that will get you locked up to answer for it.

To be fair, you can make a veiled or implied threat and be locked up for it though our laws are a lot more lenient about it.

How liberal then America is, for all the screaming otherwise.

Actually, I think all of this screaming basically goes to show how desperate the ultra-conservatives are as they watch society become less and less like their fantasies of times that never were. Yes, they've won some battles but they're losing the war and are frantically shooting ammo left and right in desperation.

All the same, I'd feel more comfortable if people like Angle that were subjected to psychiatric examination and had gun embargo imposed on them.

I agree 100%. Unfortunately, we'd have to establish that this person is a threat and as long as she takes advantage of technicalities that'll be difficult to do.

old comment by Headache

Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country shows:

Rank Countries Amount
# 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
..
# 26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
# 27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
# 28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
# 29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
# 30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
# 31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
# 32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people

People living in civilized first world countries have around 80-95% less chance of getting killed by a crazy gun-nut.

old comment by John

She said that "if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, 'My goodness what can we do to turn this country around?

So what is she saying? Is she advocating armed revolution? What, besides the fact that maybe 10% of the lunatic-fringe right-wing loonies may agree, isn't this considered sedition, which includes:

"whoever ... shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any language intended to incite, provoke, or encourage resistance to the United States ... shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or the imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both ..."

old comment by Xotan

When someone who is political makes such a statement (as Angle has done) it is worrying. The gun has played a major role in American politics, not least in the assassination of presidents. So the wonder is that America does not appear to have a legal structure in place that requires people who make such statements to explain exactly what their comment means. It is a close to a death threat as would satisfy courts in other countries where the gun is not as freely available as in America.

Perhaps there is the kernel of a solution to guns' availability already there in the Second Amendment. I'm no lawyer, but I wonder if ownership/holding of a gun could legally, and constitutionally be made contingent upon being a member of a properly constituted militia, operating under military discipline and subsidiary to the US army, perhaps as a reserve force? Sadly I don't know enough about the US and its constitution to be able to say if something like this would stick. But I have the impression that the Second Amendment seems to envisage membership of some kind of disciplined body, not just an unattached citizen.

old comment by SamTay04

Headache: "I hope you all are prepared to pay the price of owning guns."

Most of us are. In the same way the majority of us are willing to "pay the price" and not use the power of government to impose our will in regards to dozens of other things that we can do but don't really "need". Whether it's tobacco use (over 400,00 deaths annually), alcohol (over 16000 annually just from car crashes), motorcycles (around 5,000 annually), swimming pools (over 3000 annually), or firearms* (over 25,000 annually).

If it involves allowing the populace to do or own what they want and paying for the consequences you can probably sign me up.

Note* Over half of firearms statistics are suicides. Gang on gang violence, people shot in self defense, and people shot by law enforcement are included.

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