Many scientists have never studied biology and do not understand evolutionary claims. Evolutionary convictions are often based on educational indoctrination, not independent thought.
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Well, if by 'many scientists' you mean a lot of physicists and chemists, then yes, many of them haven't really made a study of biology.
But then those same ones don't go around bashing evolution or other subjects outside their areas of expertise. Unlike some fundie fuckwads.
Do you know who has studied biology? Biologists. And they are overwhelmingly supportive of evolution. Let me correct your little statement here:
"Smileyto has never studied biology and does not understand evolutionary claims. Religious convictions are often based on educational indoctrination, not independent thought."
Have YOU ever study biology or science, for that matter?, do you understand evolution?, methinks it's you who have problems, not them.
Umm, there is education or indoctrination, but they are mutually exclusive, unless of course you go to 'Liberty' univeristy.
Many scientists have not studied biology, true; that's because physicists and geologists, etc., aren't biologists.
Biologists, however, pretty much agree on the ToE.
And it's not as if you even know what 'independent thought' means; Bro. Randy actively discourages it, you know.
Egad, the rest of that post! Also, way to use the "No Man Can Serve Two Masters" quote out of context at the end. It was based on the inability of a person to place both Money and God on their list of things to devote themselves to service for.
True: many scientists are not biologists, and don't have a full grasp of evolutionary theory. However, that is what education, reading and communication is for. I'm fairly well versed in evolution, but I believe experts in their field (who have studied evolution/biology) when they tell me something.
Redhunter is right. We would still be in the dark ages if everyone had to independently discover everything from first principles.
I've never studied biology either (except for being forced to dissect a few frogs when I was in 8th grade), but I'm intelligent and can read and I've learned enough to understand that evolution is plausible, unlike ID and creationism. Educated =/= Indoctrinated.
"Many scientists have never studied biology and do not understand evolutionary claims."
Untrue. Almost all scientists have taken at least a basic biology class in high school. Even such a basic biology class would have covered the ToE. Most scientists, being relatively bright would have understood the ToE from this high school exposure.
"Evolutionary convictions are often based on educational indoctrination, not independent thought."
Education with facts is not indoctrination.
Christian convictions are often based on indoctrination with absurd dogmas, not independent thought.
Many scientists don't focus on biology, true. But good luck finding someone with a degree in any scientific field who didn't have to take at least one biology class.
I know almost nothing about "evolutionary claims," but I promise you that if I wanted to know, I'd ask someone who spent a crapload of his/her education reading and talking about them - like *gasp!* a biologist.
"Many people have never studied high-level biology and do not fully understand the implications of evolution. As a result many opinions on evolution, from both sides of the argument, are often based on indoctrination or presumption rather than tested evidence and independent thought. "
Sure, many scientists have never truly studied biology. Like all the non-biology scientists, perhaps. Like chemists, astrophysicists, geneticists, physicists, mathematicians, geologists, etc, etc.
Most of the scientist do, however, understand evolution WAY better than you do.
Hey, most high school graduates understand evolution better than you do, perhaps even most fourth-graders, and quite a few first-graders too.
“Many scientists have never studied biology and do not understand evolutionary claims.”
True, but they do understand the peer review process. So they now how THEIR disciplines get mainstream ideas, and they know what it would take to topple evolutionary theories. namely better theories. Not cherished conclusions.
"Evolutionary convictions are often based on educational indoctrination, not independent thought.”
Feel free to provide the slightest bit of evidence for this cherished conviction.
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