(excerpt from the letter mrs. fundie sent to her kid's school, detailing why she pulled him out)
...I also was extremely outraged when Mr. **** ordered the book "Now I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" by Maya Angelou. She may be a gifted writer but she is a far left ideologist and more than that her book is explicit in the subjects of rape, molestation, incest, lesbianism, and a left social justice. I as a parent have the right to decide if my children are exposed to these subjects, not a teacher! Furthermore, these are very sensitive subjects that jr. high students are not mature enough to handle unless guided with parental and spiritual support. Schools are not suppossed to be places of political activist indoctrination centers. Can you imagine the outrage if I had posted a picture of George Bush and had the class read a book authored by David Duke on the virtues of racial superiority and the Aryan Race?!!! I may seem "intolerant", fine, I will not tolerate a teacher who isn't conducting his class in a professional manner but uses it as a platform to "educate" the students with his ideology. I apologize if this seems like a "rant". My children have been given to me by God and I have the responsibility to provide and protect them to the best of my ability. In turn, I have entrusted them to ***** Charter School and given that I can no longer trust the administration to be a "trustee" I have come to this decision
to withdraw my children from their "care". I hope that in the future this school will address the seriousness of the lack of professional competency in the classroom but for my family we can not afford the time lost and the affects of it are long lasting. I am most grateful that my younger son had a excellent teacher in Mr. **** and my daughter had a good experience with Mrs. **** Hopefully, whatever issues concerning the competency of qualified teachers will be addressed and **** Charter School will have much success in the future.
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"I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings"??? REALLY? Oh, I see. It's written by a a black woman about her childhood and life,and it's NOT by Oprah, so it must be evil. (Note she has to reference David Duke). I get the feeling she's more outraged about the black author than the content. If I recall the book correctly, it isn't THAT explicit. And most jr high students know something about those subjects alreday. (Gee...rape, molestation, incest...all in the babble,aren't they? Maybe Galaxygirl shouldn't let her kids read THAT either).
Something about Obama's election gave a whole section of the white population the idea that they can scream racism at anything identifiably black - black culture, books, films, societies, etc and then compare them directly with white supremacy, as if there's no historical difference. Disgusting.
Rape and violence? Do you even read your own holy book?
EDIT: Damnit, Dawn beat me to it.
Also, the school is probably better off without your kids dragging down their test scores.
Translation: "I as a parent have the right to totally shelter my child from things I deem evil so that they can grow up to be totally unprepared for what they encounter in life."
Seriously, I want my child to experience various points of view so that he will be able to make up his mind. And maybe it's just me, but I think pulling your child out of school because of one book is overreacting a bit, but perhaps not for people on RR.
Unfortunately, you as a parent do have the right to decide if you children are exposed to these subjects. Just like you have the right to be brain-meltingly stupid in every other way.
But, Christ, you would think fundies would be the FIRST to realise that just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I will not tolerate a teacher who isn't conducting his class in a professional manner but uses it as a platform to "educate" the students with his ideology
Where DO the fundies buy their mirror polish? I can never seem to get mine to be as shiny.
So, every time a child hears an opinion that doesn't align with their parents or their own personal beliefs, it's the school trying to indoctrinate the child? Wait, what?
her book is explicit in the subjects of rape, molestation, incest, lesbianism, and a left social justice
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Schools are not suppossed to be places of political activist indoctrination centers.
So just reading about opposing viewpoints is tantamount to indoctrination? Then how are the children supposed to learn other viewpoints, by osmosis? And they DO need to know that other viewpoints exist otherwise they'll be completely unprepared for real life where not everyone agrees with them.
Your kids are in Junior High. That puts them in the 12 - 15 age group. In al likelihood, they know about sex and maybe have even experimented a little bit. As far as literature is concerned, they're starting to get a glimpse into some of the more complex emotional topics that they themselves might be wrestling with. They're more mature than you think, and if you've blinded yourself to this fact, then you have only yourself to blame.
As far as reading a book authored by David Duke is concerned, however repugnant I consider the man himself and his opinions to be, I have no problem allowing his missives to be read. It's always better to have a good idea as to what those whom you oppose are up to.
But now that I think of it, what has David Duke done in the last 20 years? I can't think of anything.....
KKK much, Galaxygirl? Your rant effectively exposes you as one.
Speaking as someone who went to state schools here in the UK, it did me no harm whatsoever. The fact our schools (as the vast majority of the US's state educational establishments do) encourage their pupils to think for themselves, made me what I am: an Atheist.
It wouldn't kill you to do the same. Certain;y not your kids. Unless you want them to only be able to say things like 'Do you want fries with that?'
I am finding it increasingly important to find a way that it is NOT a parents right to decide what children are exposed to in an educational setting.
Stupid cunts like this are destroying the ability of their children to compete in the modern marketplace. It is child abuse of the most insidious kind.
I can understand complaints about the maturity of subject matter of Middle Schoolers, but the complaints about "far left ideology" is pathetic. The comparison of a well-known work by Maya Motherfucking Angelou to the writings of a former leader of the KK Motherfucking K really drives home how retarded your complaint is. Good to know that fundies really can't stand having sexism and racism challenged and overcome though. Sing it, Galaxygirl! Just make sure that you're singing it while making me a sammich.
If I penned a letter that poorly written and ungrammatical when I was your child's age, my English-major dad would have a hissy fit. I can't even imagine how he would react if I wrote something of that quality at your age. And may God have mercy upon your poor soul if you complain to him about how classic literature with mature or challenging subject matter is inappropriate for junior-high students. You think Maya Angelou is too "liberal"? My father had me reading The Jungle , Just Above My Head , and The Bluest Eye at that age.
Having taught 9-12th grade English for 16 years, I would have to say that 'I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings' is probably not really appropriate for most middle schoolers--who in today's school structure are more likely 11-13 years old--not 12-15 as someone mistakenly assumed in another comment. The book is fine for 10th or 11th graders who range from 15-17 years old and that's the level it should be taught on.
Meh.
Who can argue with the point of her post, "Whoever we entrust our children with, pay attention, even in the churches! " ?
I doubt her kids will turn out to be burger-flippers. Much of the material elided from the quote relates to her annoyance at the lack of school discipline and teaching.
I think former teacher's coment at #1215981 is cogent.
I respectfully but most emphatically disagree with JohnTheAtheist's post. Nobody else will love the little nose-miners the way their parents do. It's a hallmark of totalitarianisms, left and right, that the State tries to usurp parental rights.
Did you get the Mormon TV advertisement claiming peers from 12 have more influence than parents? Much as some parents may wish to be the sole source of information to their kids, they are doomed to fail. "[R]ape, molestation, incest, lesbianism, ..." are things kids would probably prefer not to discuss with their parents. It is still the right and the obligation of parents to prepare their kids for the fact the world is not all fluffy blankies and mum doing laundry, and to give them parental and moral support in dealing with the existance of things they will find disturbing.
No parent is perfect. Parents won't recognise their children's actual state of maturity. The saying goes "A child becomes an adult five years before his parents think so and five years after he thinks so." But this has been going on for centuries. Mark Twain has a comment or two about it. I doubt that the system can be bettered.
Even knowing she's a RR poster, I read her allusions to Bush and Dukakis as a reductio ad absurdam , not racism on her behalf. I deplore the OP's occasional spelling and grammatical lapses. I think withdrawing their child from school was an over-reaction. But I don't have a vote here, and rightly so. I think she's absolutely right in the principles she espouses. Her kids, her responsibility, her business.
Not mine.
Not ours.
It's pretty bad when even a private school isn't good enough for your kid. Let's face it, the people on Rapture Ready are just plain anti-education. Let's face it, the book wasn't even the issue here. Galaxygirl was just looking for an excuse to pull her kid out of school.
Social Justice! Oh noes!!! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILRENS?!?!?! We can't go around teaching them that we should help the less fortunate!
Also a new entry for the Fundie Redefinition Project:
education = indoctrination
Yeah, I gotta agree pretty much with John_in_Oz. Her kid, her choice. Former Teacher had a good point also. Maybe not the choice most would take, but still her choice. Never the less, I would think as a parent (I am not one), that one should be open to your kid getting aquainted with a variety of ideas. Oh well.
But I have to comment on something else. "My children have been given to me by gawd..." Really? And all this time I was thinking it was the stork. <hee hee>
OK, so my grandfather was invited by a friend of his to a script reading in his youth, and when he arrived the play was by Maya Angelou, he was the only white person in the room, and she glared at him for existing.
I don't like that. And I haven't read more than a bit of her six-volume autobiography. But I assume the teacher was choosing age-reasonable excerpts, and I don't believe it's seriously racist material.
I'd never heard of this David Duke before, but conspiracy theorist above appears to be ignoring "the most important book in the history of the entire world" (David Duke), My Awakening, a white supremacist condemnation of the "racial genocide of integration."
You know what's not fair? The KKK took such cool officer names. Now nobody nice can call themselves a Grand Wizard. Not fair.
GWBush or David Duke have never been accused of perpetrating literature. Maya Angelou has, on the other hand, been guilty of writing some things worth reading and thinking about.
I think this is Mrs. Fundie's entire point.
While at the end of the day as the legal guardian of the child she is allowed to do this, she is just being a moron.
If I had a child in Jnr High(11 - 13 years) I wouldn't have a problem with them reading a book about an African Americans life. Nor would I have a problem with them reading a book from a white supremest. The only problem I would have is if the language and content of the book is too advanced. A child of 13 should be able to handle tough topics, but might have trouble analyzing the literary style. Hence it might be better to only introduce those books at a later stage.
Personally I would want my child to read about all sorts of differing opinions and scenarios even the socially unacceptable ones.
Lastly aren't the books in schools chosen by the department of education? I know in South Africa where I live schools are given a choice of about 3 books per grade. Each are approximately equal in content and style and the schools choose one that they will be doing with the class. Teachers don't just get to choose books randomly.
I love the reply she got fron another RR-idiot:
" <i> If all Christians were pulled from public schools (kids and teachers), you would have a Columbine situation pretty regular. The Christian kids and teachers keep all the insanity from totally erupting. </i> "
Yeah, that's the reason we have so many student-killing-sprees here in Sweden... Oh, wait. No we don't. Idiot.
I have to disagree with formerteacher. Why on earth would you wait till 11-12th grade for this book? It's NOT written on that difficult a level. I read it in jr high, back in the 1970's. Yes, it has some difficult topics but the book itself is not on a difficult reading level.
If you hold this book back till 11-12th grade, when do you give them the Russian authors? When do you let them read Mark Twain? When do you give them Dante's Divine Comedy?
"these are very sensitive subjects that jr. high students are not mature enough to handle unless guided with parental and spiritual support"
Sadly, I see this hysterical, overprotective helicopter/teacup parenting even in most of the non-fundie parents I know. Fundie kids aren't the only ones who are going to be unable to deal with the real world when the time omes for them to do so.
Then the teacher who went through this letter, got wasted on the same night out of sheer bliss.
These people shouldn't even allowed to homeschool, as the result is often the kids being entirely unprepared to the real world and burger flipping ahead of them.
"I hope that in the future this school will address the seriousness of the lack of professional competency in the classroom but for my family we can not afford the time lost and the affects of it are long lasting."
Oh no! Her kids read a book! A BOOK! How DARE that teacher! They may have inadvertently learned the difference between "affect" and "effect" and taught it to her!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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