[Verisimilitude is trying to understand how there could be Nephilim in Canaan after the Great Flood, even though they weren't on the Ark]
If I remember correctly, Canaan was a descendant of Ham. The Bible is explicit in stating that Noah was found perfect in his generations (genes), but doesn't say that about anyone else including Mrs. Noah. Is it possible that Ham's wife carried the nephilim gene in her genetic makeup, as a recessive gene, and this is the reason for the reappearance of giants post-flood? Is this why in a Genesis 9:25 Canaan is cursed instead of Ham? Was Ham pure genetically but not his wife so that the nephilim re-emerged from their descendants through Canaan as the fulfillment of Yahweh's curse? The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand.
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So, apparently, the key to heaven is the ability to answer totally inconsequential and basically stupid questions about "events" in a Bronze Age holy book.
That means a lot of atheists I know are getting through the Pearly Gates.
A gargantuan attempt to buy a metaphorical bridge at whatever the cost via a self induced hard sell. The blood-vessel-bursting campaign to squeeze a gigantic turd through a pinhole sized arse. The desperate dodges, the flailing self-deception, the rickety logical foundations, the revving-up of the gullibility engine to dangerously high levels.
Yes, it's business as usual for the Pilots of the Future.
Generations means age-groups, not genes, to my knowledge.
One recessive gene can't re-emerge on its own, it needs a partner, sort of.
Isn't there something in the Bible about it being a sin to add to or change the text?
"The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand."
I think a lot of us feel that way about religious writings.
"If I remember correctly, Canaan was a descendant of Ham. The Bible is explicit in stating that Noah was found perfect in his generations (genes), but doesn't say that about anyone else including Mrs. Noah. Is it possible that Ham's wife carried the nephilim gene in her genetic makeup"
Yes, yes, that's fine and all, but what all of your blatheing has to do with an anime series by "Fate/Stay Night" creators 'Type-Moon' have to do with anything...
...but then, the titular character is from the Middle East; and her extra combat abilities must surely be proof of her superior genes, therefore...! [/hyper-smartarse]
Hey, one fiction is just as good as another. Amirite, Ruptured Retards...?!
'Get Some!' [/Liang Qi]
@Pule Thamex
In you were Dan Dare, Verisimilitude would be The Mekon. X3
@#1598303
"@Doubting Thomas
They must be thinking of Cain, as in Cain 'n' Abel."
...or the drug lord Cain that ultimately becomes the eponymous cyborg in "RoboCop II". The battle between him & Murphy/RoboCop, and how Cain ultimately gets his . >:D
The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand.
Here's a tip: it's not history.
Yep, those sure are some seriously thought-provoking questions.
If you're a complete moron, that is.
"The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand. "
If you think that's hard, wait till you look under the hood of Dr Whos phone booth.@Swede :
Pre-flood, angels had sex with human women. The result was giants called nephilim.
The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand.
Maybe if you wouldn't try to shoehorn mythology into reality... Just sayin.
The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand
Good, now connect the dots->
Come on, you can do it!
"The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand. "
Odd that. What could the answer be?
The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand.
There's a reason for that.
The nephilim described in Numbers were over 1,000 years after Noah and his wife. It seems odd that there was no mention of nephilim in the intervening years or the 3,000 years since. And what about Canaan's three brothers?
Wait... let me get this right. God, in his attempt to rid the world of Evil AND get rid of the human/angel hybrids known as Nephilim, flooded the place and killed off everything except what was on the ark... which was only what he told Noah to put on there.
This God, being an all-perfect, all-knowing being... this God wasn't able to understand that letting Nephilim DNA onto the Ark was a perfect way to ensure that he failed in his plan.
Of course, the fact that it was believed by a lot of people that the semen a man ejaculated was all that became a baby, and the only thing a woman did was to incubate and "choose" the sex of the baby... that explains why God made such an amazing error. It's almost like God didn't know anything about pregnancy, despite having created the fucking thing!
TL:DR It's all made-up bullshit, authored by ignorants and believed by gullible fools.
" Is it possible that Ham's wife carried the nephilim gene in her genetic makeup, as a recessive gene, and this is the reason for the reappearance of giants post-flood?"
No, since physical evidence demonstrates a catastrophic global flood cannot have occcurred at any time in the geologically recent past (i.e., within the past 20 million years), and therefore the account is wholly mythological. There was no ark; there was no reduction in genetic diversity due to all of humanity perishing by drowning; Noah, Ham, his wife, etc. never actually existed or rode to safety on that non-existent ark, etc.
@SpukiKitty
"Or perhaps, Verisimilitude, the story is a BIG FAT MYTH!!!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude
'Verisimilitude is a philosophical concept that distinguishes between the truth and the falsity of assertions and hypotheses '
Your words are so right - lethally so for this Raptard - that it's Spooky , Kitty.
Verisimilitude here is so unsure about what constitutes his own belie fs (with emphasis on...!), he doesn't know whether he's on this Earth, or Fuller's!
No wonder he's amongst that lot who are almost creaming themselves at the thought of being sucked off by their J-man, when Planet Reality clearly makes his brainmeats all hurty.
Now, if only he'd dare show himself here, you could weave more of your intellectual magic with him, to see the light, eh?
'Smart is so... sexy !'
-Bob Morton (Miguel Ferrer, "RoboCop")
Baseball fans will remember the team in the old International League, the Newark Nephilim.
Little known oddity: the name of Ham's wife was Egz.
The more I try to find out about this stuff, the harder it is to understand.
Stop right there. Back away from the Bible.
@1598408: "God wasn't able to understand that letting Nephilim DNA onto the Ark was a perfect way to ensure that he failed in his plan"
He didn't get rid of evil, either. Apparently He thought Noah's righteousness would be inherited by his descendents, like eye color.
/facepalm, do some fucking research! to answer the question you have to look outside the standard bible for the answer.
(sure it's just a band-aid for the issue but there is an answer)
according to jewish folklore Og clung to the ark, thus all giants after the flood are descendants of Og.
"perfect in his generations" is not about noah's genes moron, it's about him being one of the few upstanding people left on earth!
stop trying to shoehorn shitty pseudo-science onto the bible, the mating with angels are what made the nephilim the nephilim, genetics has nothing to do with it, it's not genetics, it's supernatural parents.
of course it's hard to understand, you are trying to shoehorn a modern understanding of the world onto one where spirits cause everything under the sun.
Ok, now I'm thinking of making up some story about Noah escaping a zombie infection on his ark, but finding out that the contagion has actually infected his wife aboard the ship. Who knows, maybe she got it from some of the animals on the ark. DINOSAURS! That's why they didn't survive the flood! Noah had to kill them all in an epic fight.
Ok, I'm off to writing it.
This reminds me of the nerdy debates I used to have to with my ex and our circle of friends about aspects of Elder Scrolls and Lord of The Rings lore. Me and that ex just had a debate a few days ago about the role of Lorkhan in the creation of Nirn.
That's all these people are doing, debating parts of their favorite fantasy novel and taking it way too seriously.
@ Anon-e-moose
If only. It would be fun to be like Dan Dare (except for the 1950's square persona bit), I would be feted everywhere I go and people would buy me pints but, unfortunately, I'm more like Digby, and even then, only very vaguely.
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