Why do people hate Jesus camp so much?
Why do people hate the Kids on Fire ministry and Jesus Camp so much?
I myself think it is a great ministry for children. What are your thoughts on The kids on Fire camp. And also on the movie Jesus Camp that was made about it.
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It's a good ministry for kids and I don't think there are really any Christian groups hating it so much. Only atheists who have trained their child that everyone is an animal, they all came from monkeys, and that life came out of a pool of chemicals, even though they have no proof of it. In short, they have their faith and they don't like it when people tell them they are children of God rather than children of monkeys.
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Could it be because their ideas are dangerous the very opposite of what Jesus really preached?. I mean, in the case of Jesus, its director has agred to make the movie as a tool for publicity. If she had to close it because even fundamentalist critisised her, it's her problem Freedom of expresion isn't "freedom to be right". She should have thought about that before being so contemptously aggro.
I haven't really researched it a lot, but from what I can tell it involves yelling at kids until they start crying, yes?
No, it's much worse than that. Their methodology is indistinguishable from the sort of indoctrination that goes on in cults. It's genuinely disturbing and the only way these people get away with abusing children that way is because it has the "Christian" label on it. Slapping the word "Christian" on any form of abuse in the U.S. appears to be the easy button to civil and criminal immunity.
I'll never get over that name, 'Kids on fire'. It's like they sat around TRYING to think of the worst name they could, 'How about uuhhhhh ... mutilated babies ?? No ?? Ummmmm, decapitated pitbull ministry ??? No ??? Ummm, kids with no eyes, kids being beaten with sticks, something with kids, wait .... I've GOT IT !! KIDS ... ON ... FIRE !!! Yeaaaaah !!!
Because I dislike cults that promote intolerance, bigotry and hatred of others. Because I dislike cults which advocate blind faith over reason, exploit the naivete of children, stifle creativity and imagination for blind obedience.
Because I believe this is child abuse for the sake of power and profit.
Well, it's because these goons are systematically indoctrinating kids who don't have the ability to decide this for themselves, and some of it is in my opinion child abuse, that's why.
John, you got me...confession time.
When my kids were young I took them to highly ritualized ceremonies where men dressed in authoritative looking outfits would tell my kids that if they were not good atheists that they would burn in hell forever while being tortured by the most terrifying monsters that they could possibly imagine.
Oh wait, I'm sorry, thats what happened when my wife took my kids to Catholic Sunday School, church and CCD. All I did was tell my kids my side of the story and encourage them to think for themselves. My rationality knocked the snot out of 2000 years of practiced brainwashing by the Catholic Church and all three of my kids are atheists, now that they are old enough to have made up their own minds on the matter.
I trained my kids only to think. religion tries the brainwashing because they know if you wait until a kid is 15 to spew this nonsense at them they will tell you to get the fuck away.
Also, you are a fucking idiot.
"Kids on Fire ministry"
Gotta love it...because Jesus demands that you do!
And, no Mr. Rosa. Most Christians are disgusted and embarassed that such an organization exists.
My children came from their non-monkey Mama and non-monkey Daddy. The fact that Mama and Daddy are of a great ape species with a common ancestor to the other ape species has no bearing on my horror over the brainwashing abusive Jesus Camp.
Little children being made to cry because the bitch woman tells them that they are little liars making Jesus upset, the little girl who says all other churches are dead because they don't speak in tongues, the stupidity of the abortion demonstration, and the turning children into mock soldiers ready to carry out violence in the name of Jesus... yah great movie, great camp.
[It's a good ministry for kids and I don't think there are really any Christian groups hating it so much.]
Check again. Many christians think Jesus camp is a cult. It's the exact same thing radical muslims do with their children but with christianity.
[Only atheists who have trained their child that everyone is an animal...]
Humans ARE animals actually. But that does not mean we are teaching our kids to do whatever.
[they all came from monkeys]
No, we evolved from a common ancestor that is no longer here.
[and that life came out of a pool of chemicals]
Maybe it did. Better than dirt.
[even though they have no proof of it.]
Evolution has plenty of proof. I'd show you some, but you would just deny it.
[In short, they have their faith and they don't like it when people tell them they are children of God rather than children of monkeys. ]
I came from the same place everyone else did, my mother's uterus. No gods and no monkeys.
Jesus Camp is like watching kids being brutally raped so they know what to expect when they're sold to some paedophile brothel.
Abuse and indoctrination is no joke, no matter what form.
Not that they'll listen to me or even care, but...
BECAUSE IT'S BRAINWASHING!
And because he non-sensically relates it to evolution, I wonder if he's even talked to another Christian about it, seen it, or, (worst of all) AGREES with the terrorizing techniques they use on these poor children because it's For Jesus! :D
@Sooze:
AHHHHHHHH
AHHH MY FACE
I did see the Jesus Camp documentary, when it was shown in the U.K on Channel 4 Television, with my mother, who is a volenteer at a local Baptist church...
After said film was shown, she was in tears & prayed to God, for the souls of the children abused there...
As for the film itself, you could argue that it promotes Idolatry, for which the biblical punishment is Death by Stoning.
(The sequence in which one of the "preachers" forces children to respond to a lifesize cutout of the current U.S president G.W Bush, as though he was physically there, & to address him as such, is bibically regarded as Idolatory of the worst sort...).
You say that as though Christianity isn't a cult....
What separates an 'accepted' religion from a cult is how many members it has, it's nothing to do with how whacko it is. Mainstream Christianity has reached that critical mass and so isn't a cult (despite its central tenets being bat-shit insane).
oh, the assumptions, i just love it. these people sure are good at them.
first of all, i love it how they can't even comprehend the notion that not everyone subscribes to a religion, i.e. if we don't believe what they believe, then we actively engage in BELIEVING the opposite, or some such nonsense. they just don't get the fact that i am not a christian, i am not an atheist, i am not and agnostic, i am a fucking HUMAN BEING. this junkie like need for belief is bewildering and frighting to me. i know death is a scary thing, but for fucks sake, to stoop to such low levels just to alleviate your irrational fears is way beyond me.
@"solomongrundy
You say that as though Christianity isn't a cult....
What separates an 'accepted' religion from a cult is how many members it has, it's nothing to do with how whacko it is. Mainstream Christianity has reached that critical mass and so isn't a cult (despite its central tenets being bat-shit insane)."
Really? What's the number you've come up with? The definition of Cult has no limit beyond less than the majority. Christains, worldwide are barely a third. Not A CULT but many cults
We don't hate the kids, stupid, they can't help being there.
We are, however, disgusted with indoctrination of young kids who can't defend themselves.
Sorry, I read that wrong. I thought it was called Fire Ministry. I wondered about the random capitalization...
Shiny mirror is shiny.
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