Christians do not threaten wih torture, despite what a lot of people are mislead to believe. God Bless!
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Casting the reprobate into hell is actually a show of God's mercy, even though it is also a show of His justice. God will not extinguish any life from existence or deny a person the right to reject Him. He will allow atheists and other unbelievers to have their way and reject him and to live eternally with the consequences of that decision.
Crusades. Inquisition. Witch Hunts. All used torture, or the threat of it, to gain converts or weed out undesirables by coercing them to confess to damn near anything so that the Church had cause to have them executed.
Then of course there's that ever present threat of eternal hellfire for not believing in your particular invisible friend.
One word:
H-E-double hockey sticks
@MessianicServant: Ok, I'm going to pour molten metal on your arms and legs. It'll hurt like, well, hell, but I'll let you live with the pain because I'm merciful.
Forget hell... the witch trials, inquisitions, forced conversions, imprisonments, stonings, etc. more than adequately meet the requirements for "torture".
Someone doesn't know their history.
@MessianicServant: It truly scares me that someone can actually think that way. The notion of it fills me with horror. It is not any fear of God's judgment, it is fear of you. I do not fear him because he does not exist. You and your outlook, on the other hand, are unfortunately very real, and your views on what is "merciful and loving" are extremely dangerous. People like you have caused so much suffering, all in the name of your sickness. I can only hope that one day your eyes will be opened and you, and others like you, will stop the spread of this horrid lie and actually work toward the betterment of humanity.
I realize that most of my comments on this site are disrespectful or silly, I usually don't take them seriously, but I am really being serious now. It saddens me to see my fellow humans do this.
He will allow atheists and other unbelievers to have their way and reject him and to live eternally with the consequences of that decision.
So let me get this straight...
First he lets us make our choice, not do anything to correct us, then punish us? What a dickhead.
No you say God is threatening us with eternal torture for not kissing his ass. Although I don't see much of a difference.
Oh and those are the nice ones. Others do threaten to kill the heathens.
Edit:
Lets take a real life situation. Lets assume that we are in the same position to your God as I am to my dog. Now there are two ways I can raise a dog.
Your Gods Way ~ Let it grow up pissing on the rug and chewing the furniture until I can't take it any more and 'damn' it to the SPCA where it will probably be put down.
My Way ~ Correct it from birth until it knows right from wrong. Keep it out of situations where it can get into trouble. Until I have a happy well adjusted dog who knows his place in our household. Reward acceptable behaviour while punishing unacceptable behaviour. The first two years are usually hell, but after that I don't have any problems. My dogs still have a choice, they can choose to disobey and take a quick punishment, or obey and receive a reward.
Now if your God chose what any animal trainer knows as a way to treat his pets, then I would believe he existed, because good things would happen to good people and bad things would happen to bad people. I mean if an all powerful God cant dish out reward/punishment as well as someone who trains even the dumbest of animals, then he obviously either doesn't exist, or doesn't give a shit.
Grammar nitpick: The past tense of "lead", meaning to be in front of people and show them the way to go, is spelled "led". Look it up. It's not like "read", where past and present tense are spelled the same way. "Misled", not "mislead". The latter would be present tense and pronounced "misleed."
Alright, nitpicking over. Carry on.
Yes they do. Google "religious crusades"
@MessianicServant
Christian theology lesson:
Or something like that. It's meant to be a hell of your own creation, like you choose there as you refuse to see the other side or something.
Personally I reckon that if there is a heaven god will let everyone in. As I once read; "You can't fault someone for being who they are" (paraphrased from a book by Brian Caswell)
@Antichrist
George Bush and Guatanamo, Special Renderings, Waterboarding??? And all done in the name of decent honest Americans. Remember all Germans were held responsible for the Nazi atrocities as it was determined that these were carried out in their name, and they did nothing to stop the regime. Look to your selves and examine your consciences. And also all countries who aided and abetted these atrocities, including my own.
For these acts alone, Bush and his cohorts in the administration should be held answerable after he steps down from office. Time for decency to reassert itself!
MessianicServant
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2008-Jun-20 01:51 AM
Casting the reprobate into hell is actually a show of God's mercy, even though it is also a show of His justice. God will not extinguish any life from existence or deny a person the right to reject Him. He will allow atheists and other unbelievers to have their way and reject him and to live eternally with the consequences of that decision.
Perfect justice is incompatible with perfect mercy.
It's gotten to be so bad on your end of things that carm.org has a list of arguments that they recommend fundies no longer use because we've actually succeeded in pounding reason through a couple of thick skulls.
excluding their wet dreams about people burning in lakes of fire, begging for a drop of water, the only reason they don't do it on a widescale is that the law has made it illegal. They do do it secretly when they can.
and @MessianicServant:
it seems a strange sort of mercy to torture someone fo reternity rather than quench their life as one would a suffering animal. Is it that God wants people to see how lucky they are to be in heaven, or for all the rest to realise how naughty they were?
Either way, a pretty nasty thing to do!
Christians do not threaten with torture.
But what about the Inquisition - the Puritans - the Albigensian Crusade - George Bush ... ?
They're not Christians.
Well, then, who is?
Me and the 50 people in my cult church.
Messianic Shithead, nobody lives "for eternity".
Here's some of your justice and mercy: You will be reincarnated as a girl child in Darfur.
The "Messianic" in your name reveals you as a non-Christian, since the Messiah is a Jewish concept, and Christianity was supposed to kill Judaism.
Christians do not threaten wih torture, despite what a lot of people are mislead to believe. God Bless!
While it is true that some Christian denominations have, in recent times, become quite civilised, nonviolent and liberal, the Christian god most emphatically does still threaten torture. Eternal torture, no less.
Would you prefer that God coerced people into worshipping him who didn't want to worship him? Or that God violate their free will to keep them out of hell? God's MERCY is displayed in his willingness to let people live with the eternal consequences of their actions.
@apYRs, yes. According to Romans 9, God has created some people to be vessels of mercy and others to be vessels of wrath. The condemnation of the vessels of wrath will demonstrate God's abundant mercy on those he has chosen to save.
@Tired, hell is exactly what the Bible says it is - a lake of burning fire and brimstone.
The Inquistion, the Hugonaut wars, the Hussian wars, the Crusades, the Cromwellian war, the conquest of America, the "conversion" of the Polynesians and the Europeans....
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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