[On Obama giving a pro-LGBT speech]
Ah we were going over this issue in my Politics class this week.
The crux of the problem is this: Homosexuality is a form of sexual abuse. Therefore, if the government condones the "marriage" of two sodomites, the government is therefore condoning sexual abuse.
Furthermore, in the lens of our Federalist legal system we have to ask ourselves two hard questions.
1. Does the Federal Government have a right to define marriage? This is a social issue which the Constitution leaves up to the state-level governments to decide.
2. Should the state-level government have the power to allow sexual abuse to be decriminalized since the Federal level of government has a reasonable expectation to protect the citizenry?
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The crux of the problem is this: Conservatism is a form of sexual abuse. Therefore if the govermnent is run by conservatives the government is therefore abusing America.
Here's another hard question:
1. Does the Federal Government have a right to define marriage? This is a social issue which the Constitution leaves up to the state-level governments to decide.
And yet fundies passed a federal law defining marriage. How do you explain that, OP?
"Homosexuality is a form of sexual abuse"
NO.
It literally cannot be because of two consenting adults. You may as well say all sex is a form of sex abuse. I entirely doubt not only that this was said in a class of any kind but that you do not go to any class and would be directly kicked out of any learning institution that took you seriously for one second.
You may, however, be kept around as a joke, so there is that possibility.
Sexual abuse? Between two consenting adults? You and I have a very different view of what abuse is.
You will say this is a state issue, until the states say it is ok. Then it should be up to the courts, until they reject your bigotry as well. Well, let's vote on it. Uh oh, those votes aren't going so well now either.
Face it you are a dinosaur and when you are dead gays are going to get married in your church.
Also..."two hard questions'...lol.
Your Politics class should have told you that different people frame problems in different ways in order to get the answers they want. Trouble is, your framing of the problem is without foundation in fact.
1. "Marriage" is a legal term. Therefore the three branches of government have a right to define it as they please - look at the Defense of Marriage Act.
2. Why would state-level governments wish to decriminalize sexual abuse? As the concept of consent is pretty fundamental to the Constitution of the United States, I can see a fair number of legal challenges going the way of any state fool enough to try this.
A synonym of abuse is to misuse something.
Since the penis was made to be used to its counterpart the vagina, and that is its proper sexual use, to use it elsewise sexually as is the case in homosexuality would be the classic definition of sexual abuse.
The consent argument was indeed brought up as I predicted. To which I countered that they can still consent to be abused and it is still abuse as per it being misuse of the sexual parts. To make an analogy a masochistic person can consent to being physically abused, but it is still abuse. A drug user can consent of himself to abuse medication, but it is still drug abuse. The professor and class was not able to refute this.
As far as the claims this is not in the Bible, this only shows those making the claims have not read the Bible. For indeed the Bible calls homosexuals "abusers of themselves with mankind".
Ended up getting a high A in the class which overall helped me make the Dean's List.
Football is a form of physical abuse Therefore, if the government condones the "game" between two teams, the government is therefore condoning physical abuse.
@GodIsSalvation
You're a little late. You also have yet to establish that the penis was "made" with a conscious intent and has any set "proper" use, which is rather sad given that you've had over two years to come up with even the flimsiest of arguments for as much. Furthermore, "I pulled in and refused to listen" doesn't mean they failed to refute your "points". It means only that they failed to penetrate your skull.
@GodIsSalvation
A synonym of abuse is to misuse something.
That's one definition of abuse. There's another definition, which is 'to treat with cruelty or violence'. The phrase 'sexual abuse' refers to the second definition.
Also, misuse and abuse are only synonyms some of the time, because 'abuse' only refers to certain kinds of misuse, and which kinds depends on the context. For example, 'abuse of power' means to misuse power, but 'drug abuse' only refers to misuse of drugs with self-damaging consequences such as addiction. Giving antibiotics to a person with influenza is drug misuse , but it's not drug abuse unless the person takes the antibiotics themselves and becomes addicted. If I use my chair as a place to stack books, I'm misusing my chair (it's meant to be sat on) but I'm not abusing it.
Homosexuality is a form of sexuality, like heterosexuality.
You don't have to have sex when you're married.
If the government doesn't "condone" the marriage of two lesbians, the government is guilty of discrimination.
1. The federal government have a duty to make sure that everyone gets equal protection. This is a legal issue, which the Constitution clarifies in the Fourteenth Amendment.
2. Homosexuality is no more sexual abuse than heterosexuality is. Or rather, there is sexual abuse found in both forms of sexuality, but they are not abuse in and of themselves.
If you think only homosexuals practice anal sex (and again, a fundie has forgotten the existence of lesbians), you ought to google "Fuck Me in the Ass Cause I Love Jesus". (Definitely NSFW, obviously.)
Lesbians are the ones least likely to get STD's (after asexual people, of course), so if anything, only lesbian marriages ought to be condoned by the government...
Confused?
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