The unborn dont care about arguments - they just want to live.
[And how do you know this? What makes you think that an unborn child even knows it is alive?]
So you are saying the unborn would like to be torn out of the mother's womb?
Children are egocentric - they care about themselves. You dont have to ask the unborn if it wants to live or die. Life is a God-given miracle. Are you saying a child could wish to die? C'mon, that's rediculous. The unborn may not know - but the 5yr old knows, the teenager knows, the adult knows. They are all the same person.
How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?
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Well, how would the mother feel it were hacked out? I'm pretty sure the abortion process is a lot more complicated than, you know, carving a Thanksgiving Day turkey. But, I assume she'd feel a lot of pain and eventually die from the blood loss. -Real- abortion clinics are a lot safer than that, and personally, I'd rather that they do it. It's a much more sterile environment. But hey, I'm sure they (the fundies) don't mind if people go back to using clothes hangers and die from internal bleeding.
<i>How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?"</i>
[And how do you know this? What makes you think that an unborn child even knows it is alive?]
No that isn't at all what the person was saying. Why put words in his/her mouth?
"So you are saying" is the standard fundie/conservative debate technique. Whatever your opponent says, twist it around with "So you are saying..." and then completely misrepresent what they did, in fact, say.
Watch the news--Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush are masters of this trick.
"The unborn dont care about arguments"Exactly. As a tiny wad of cells, the blastocyst being aborted doesn't have any awareness of anything.
"they just want to live."
No, they do not. The blastocyst or embryo is not aware of anything.
[And how do you know this? What makes you think that an unborn child even knows it is alive?]
"So you are saying the unborn would like to be torn out of the mother's womb?"
No, I'm saying that a blastocyst or embryo is not capable of liking or disliking anything at all.
"Children are egocentric - they care about themselves."
BUUUUT, a blastocyst or embryo is NOT a child, and, as stated above, at those stages they are incapable of caring about anything.
"You dont have to ask the unborn if it wants to live or die."
I know, thanks.
"Life is a God-given miracle."
Before you can use that argument, you should show that God actually exists.
"Are you saying a child could wish to die?"
No, I'm saying that blastocysts and embryos can't wish for anything.
"C'mon, that's rediculous."
Children, actual born people of less than adult age can certainly wish to die. Depression happens in adults AND children.
"The unborn may not know - but the 5yr old knows, the teenager knows, the adult knows. They are all the same person."
Knows what? Same person? The blastocyst and embryo are not persons.
In any case, what one knows at one stage of life does not me one knew that at an earlier stage of life. That is just stupid.
"How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?"
Most do because they know that the blastopcyst or embryo was not a baby.
Having one's baby hacked out of one's body sounds more like a C-section than an abortion. Are you railing against C-sections?
No, we're saying the unborn have no consciousness, and thus no likes, dislikes, desires, or impulses.
"How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?"
Depending on the stage, the unborn wouldn't know, especially if it doesn't HAVE A BRAIN. Like you. Oh, wait, you kinda disprove my argument, don't you?
The unborn dont care about arguments... they just want to live.
Actually, due to lack of consciousness, they don't want anything.
And how do you know this? What makes you think that an unborn child even knows it is alive?
So you are saying the unborn would like to be torn out of the mother's womb?Children are egocentric - they care about themselves.
Zygotes aren't children, though.
You dont have to ask the unborn if it wants to live or die.
True; it would be futile. The unborn are not conscious, therefore they can't talk. Luckily, it also means they have no wants, interests, or desires, so it means we don't need to ask them.
Life is a God-given miracle.
Prove God exists.
Are you saying a child could wish to die?
Yes, children can wish to die. I had an occasional suicidal thought when I was 5 or 6.
You'll notice I said 5 or 6 years, not -4 months. An embryo or fetus can have no desires.
C'mon, that's rediculous.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
The unborn may not know...
Yet you've spent several sentences claiming they do.
...but the 5yr old knows, the teenager knows, the adult knows.
Abortion is wrong because the fetus will eventually become an adult with a will to live?
This pile of bricks here will eventually become a house. Would you care to move in?
They are all the same person.
No, an embryo is not a person at all. Since you have difficulty understanding this concept, I'll help you.
Here's a picture of Michael Palin as an adult.
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Here's a picture of him as a two-day-old embryo.
If you have trouble seeing the picture, you should find a microscope, because it's fucking microscopic, you twit!
Try to tell me that they're the same thing.
How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?
It's not fun, but a mother can certainly live with herself and take care of her baby after going through birth by c-section. It's unfortunately necessary, since some babies are too big to be born naturally.
Well, I've talked to a lot of women who have had abortions, and most of them told me that they generally didn't think much of it. One of them said something along the lines of, "It was about as stressful as the operation I had to fix an ingrown toenail. And I think I felt more sorrow over losing the toenail."
The unborn dont care about arguments - they just want to live. So you are saying the unborn would like to be torn out of the mother's womb?
No, but they wouldn't dislike it either.
Children are egocentric - they care about themselves. You dont have to ask the unborn if it wants to live or die. Life is a God-given miracle.
Which is why it happens all the time.
Are you saying a child could wish to die? C'mon, that's rediculous.
Yes, a child probably could be suicidal.
How can a mother live with herself after she has her baby hacked out of her body?
Appeal to emotion fallacy. And unborn baby is an oxymoron.
It is clear that a fertilized egg is a human from the moment of conception. But it is also clear that that cannot give it unlimited rights vis-a-vis the mother, who will have to find and ingest 50,000 Calories to bring an infant to term. Clearly a compromise is necessary, and that which was defined in Roe V. Wade is reasonable and proper.
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