The scary part for me about you, is that there is no logical reason for you to give two hoots about mankind. Consequently, your expressions of such caring must be only a facade. No God, no afterlife, you're gone, you're gone. No memory. no communication with survivors. You're gone. That's all, folks! The glass aint half full, it's empty.
Such a view leaves you only survival of yourself regardless of the cost to others. If you have to eat my children or even your own children to survive, there is no choice. You've got to do it.
That is why you are scary. And knowing your athiestic views, I also know the logical consequenses of those view, so you have no credibility, when you try to tell me what a really nice guy you are.
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Find me any significant number of atheists who actually believe what you say we believe. (I say a significant number because you can always find a couple of nutjobs in any group.) Then we can talk. Until then, I will assume that as per the usual fundie tactics, you are pulling stuff out of your ass.
Well, I would be sick of it, if I actually respected the people speaking or listening, and cared about their opinion of me. I know that i can never be in their good graces, because I reject god.
**Raises hand anyways**
Don't they realize that if atheists were as unscrupulous, and blood-thirsty as they claim we are, that the streets would be running red with the blood of theists? It is sort of a paradox: If we were that evil, they would be afraid to say that we were that evil. So, since they aren't afraid to say that...
I raise both my hands.
This whole website shows what kind of morals a lot of theists have (racism, misogyny, religious persecution, murder in the name of God, etc.). If that's what you have to believe to make it into heaven, I don't want to go there.
As I like to point out, he's got the situation completely backward.
If you believe in an eternal afterlife, everything you do here - even with regard to your fellow man - is relatively insignificant. Even killing another human can be rationalized away as simply speeding them on to a "better place". You'll have eternity to get over it, make ammends or reap the rewards.
As an atheist, with no belief in any afterlife, the situation is reversed. Not only are there sound, reasonable grounds for me to treat my fellow man with respect and honor - but the impact of such treatment is infinitely more significant. Taking a life, for an atheist is taking everything - not simply ending their "stay in this world". Every moment is infinitely more precious.
The various arguments about atheism having no moral ground and leading to nihilism are not only insulting, they're fundamentally flawed.
It's always odd that when someone is challenged for making this argument they typically reply with something like: "Well, I never said atheists couldn't be moral, I'm sure many of them are..."
Asshats.
Our expressions of caring, a facade? We are good because it's the right thing to do. Empathy. Look it up. We don't do it because some divine force is going to give us some eternal time out. We do it because it's right.
What scares me is people like you. Who loudly claim that they would lie, cheat, steal, rape and kill if there wasn't really a God. And for that reason, I sincerely hope there never is proof he's not there, because it terrifies me that people think that way.
"Yup, we atheists are all coo-coo for eating babies!"
Nope, that's Germans.
I really do loathe these people. "I know your views, I know the consequences, something about logic...." You know what, Sam? You don't know shit! I would not eat children just to save myself, what the Hell is the point in that? As much as I'm afraid of the creatures you must've spawned, I don't think even I, in my Thupreme Atholery, could just kill a couple of kids for no good reason. And I certainly wouldn't *eat* them. You sick fuck!
Aaaaaaaaaand, I'm done now.
You are moral because you're afraid you'll burn.
I'm moral because the feelings of others are of significant importance to me.
My reasons are morally superior to yours. You do what you do for personal gain, I do what I do out of care for human kind.
In other words...
YOU FAIL
EDIT: *t3h hand raiseness*
Yes, because clearly people who converted to fundamentalist faiths had ABSOLUTELY NO MORALS OR EVEN A VAGUE SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG before they were "saved."
See also: secular humanism, people who are atheists or just aren't fundies that also don't rape babies and burn down orphanages while laughing maniacally, etc. etc.
if it would mean the end to all this fundamentalists bullshit, i'll jump off a goddamn bridge, lets see if his theory really is true
*hands up, also for my boyfriend/Fiancé if he was still alive*
I hate christians. I hate stupid, dumb fucking idiot ignorant ass cocksucking buttfucking christians. They all need to die and leave all the normal, rational, intelligent people alone. Maybe we'll get lucky, and when they realize that the rupture isn't going to happen, they'll pull a Jamestown and they'll all drink the Kool-Aid.
Funny how it's only fundies who think you istantly become a monster if you aren't afraid of being punished by God. What does that say about their morality? That they are only 'good' because of fear of punishment, not because there is any understanding of real morality, compassion and empathy, or the need for human to cooperate in society.
Funny, then, how my respect for ALL life, not just human, went up about a thousand times when I realized there wasn't really a god after all.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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