I believe, as time goes by, people over the age, of say, 70, will not get to choose. They will be denied ICU stays, operations, dialysis, surgery, etc. They will slowly be led from "right to die" to being put down; and eventually everyone who isn't working and paying X amount of taxes will be denied medical care and killed.
You have a baby with a disability? You're on the hook for all medical expenses; insurance won't pay, because you "should have put it down". Same with elderly and disabled. If you can't pay, they don't get medical care and die.
I also imagine "mercy killings" will become less aggressively prosecuted; until it's pretty common knowledge you can "take care" of a troublesome caregiving issue on your own with no legal repercussions.
I thank God every day my husband is healthy. I thank God I have him, and he me.
It's going to be a very dark and awful place for people with disabilities. I pray we are raptured first.
87 comments
As a disabled person, I appreciate being able to cut the line at theme parks. It's one of the few perks we get (like society's saying "Sucks you're in constant pain, how about you go ahead of me on Space Mountain?"). But really? Wanting to cut the line to the Rapture? I think that's just taking it too far.
What about those poor souls who are quite, quite mad? Maybe if there's enough evidence for insanity, internet ramblings involving loony fantasies for example, then perhaps they will be mercifully put-down in order to protect the population from madness.
Then again, it might be ...er... soon and never happen.
First off, citation needed on the whole denying health care bit.
Second, I like to see you say that when you're 70.
Don't pretend you give a shit about people with disabilities, motherfucker. At least once a week I happen upon a website, a blog, a forum, some place online in which autism is declared 'not a disability' and worse - demon possession by fundies like you.
So spare me your false claims of caring about the disabled. If it were up to you and your ilk, my children and everyone else like them would be enduring forced exorcisms.
And in the future, people will have crystals implanted into their hands which will glow red when they turn 30, meaning they'll need to take part in Carrousel to die and hopefully be renewed. And anyone who doesn't will be considered a runner and will be hunted down and killed.
"If you can't pay, they don't get medical care and die."
Um, isn't that exactly what your side wants? For poor people to receive no help from the state when they fall ill? That's the right-wing position!
@1418490"Here come the crazies"
You think it's bad now? If Obama gets re-elected, the American right wing is going to have a collective meltdown / BSOD. They are going to shit bricks for the next couple of centuries.
"I fail to understand how the entire world is coming to end just because a law that mandates you have healthcare was deemed constitutional"
So do the wingnuts opposing it, but if it's endorsed by Barack HUSSEIN Obama, it's gotta be bad.
You people are idiots.
This one starts off as just an expression of concern over a worst case scenario in the medical insurance industry, where extreme greed and apathy lead to high incidents of death. As it's described, this scenario seems a bit far fetched, but still retains some realism since deaths already occur even if at a lower rate. It doesn't actually doesn't start to seem fundie until the end when the paranoia ramps up with a wish from the author that she and her husband get beamed away to a supernatural reality to escape the horror.
Western European secular democracies, Canada, Australia, NZ all have socialised health care. None have introduced euthanasia to reduce costs, indeed many extend life even when it causes pain, distress, and in the face of the desires of the patients.
Why then is the USA going to kill "useless" people, uniquely in civilisation?
"You have a baby with a disability? You're on the hook for all medical expenses; insurance won't pay,"
This happens under private insurance ALL THE TIME. With everyone in the same system, a national health care, the middle man, the insurance companies aren't allowed to deny specialized care or rip 40 to 60 percent of the money out for company profits. The people they deny service to are cast into goverment funded sysyems NOW, the goverment and taxpayer thereby subsidicing them.
These are paper-pushers people, there's not one reason they should have profit margins higher than everyone else. Just a five year treatment like this of farmers or any suffering people who actually produce product would revitalize those fields for 20 years.
When was the last time you saw a Union leader or farm organization give their CEOs multi-million dollar bonuses? Happens in banking and insurance companies ALL THE TIME. Why? Insane profit margins that drastically reduce service.
Do you really need more multi-millionaires who provide no real service yet reap the hard earnned money of the productive people? In case you're so stupid not to know. NO! Every company that does this doesn't have to pay them even a tenth of that, most companies don't even need these ridiculous fat cat figureheads.
Dude, you believe that the government wants to kill everyone not perfect in some kind of grand eugenics experiment, but then... you also believe in the rapture.
I don't trust your judgement.
"I believe I imagine
In other words, "I don't know anything about the ACA except what liars like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage spew out of their face-holes like rectal runoff.
Are they talking about death panels?
I absolutely despise the fact that the far-right deliberately spread these rumors!
We now don't have to put up with the REAL death panels (pre-existing condition clause) thanks to this law!
They will slowly be led from "right to die" to being put down;
Even worse, they'll be putting flouride in the water and it will "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."
image
I find it hilarious that the supposed horrors of privatized medicine you folks describe are always the actual horrors of privatized medicine happening in plain sight. What a truly naive and out-of-touch lot you folks areand not just the RR nutters, either, but anyone who seriously believes that an unregulated, privatized health-insurance system will give a shit about anything but its profit, which it maximizes by setting caps on the cost and amount of treatment covered (politically correct speak for "rationing") and by refusing to offer coverage to those with "pre-existing conditions" (politically correct speak for "death panels").
Medicare and Medicaid were created because of the private health-insurance industry denying affordable coverage to senior citizens and the disabled, neither of whom could not receive private insurance through employers, which was the only way the vast majority of people could even afford healthcare (and it will continue to be until 2014, when the the portion of the PPACA goes into effect which creates health-insurance exchanges, regulates premium costs, and subsidizes all or most of the cost of health insurance based on incomebut you didn't know that or much of anything else about the law because you're willfully ignorant). Even those who could afford to purchase private insurance out of pocket had to lie about their "pre-existing conditions" or private insurers would refuse to cover them altogether.
projecting the problems inherent in private medicine on socialized medicine, are we? arbitrarily denying claims is a very serious business strategy for private insurance companies. big insurance is also fond of denying claims and tying up any subsequent appeals in court should the customer sue with the hope that they'll literally die before the matter is settled. you might have noticed that there was kind of an important supreme court decision about some capstone legislation intended in part to end these practices recently.
this isn't single payer healthcare (as if we'd be that lucky); rather, it's a system where the federal government extends private insurance to individuals who otherwise couldn't afford it via subsidies. others are covered via a forthcoming medicaid eligibility expansion, which is about the extent of the "gubmint healthcare" issue that people on the right are howling about. maybe they don't want people to know that medicaid-a supposedly shitty, inefficient government-run healthcare program- has lower administrative costs (it's run twice as efficiently by some metrics) than most private insurers, covers more than all but the most expensive private plans and features lower out of pocket costs than most private insurance.
insurance companies are pissed off because they'll lose stuff like the ability to deny claims on the basis of pre-existing conditions and yearly/lifetime caps which were formerly staples of their industry. they're also forced to come up with a less shitty appeals process. the trade off is they gain several million new customers.
I support healthcare for everyone ass hole and I am a fucking atheist
"everyone who isn't working and paying X amount of taxes will be denied medical care and killed."
Sounds like some of the conservaties featured of FSTDT!'s wet dream, TBH.
You're on the hook for all medical expenses; insurance won't pay
That is what happens pretty much all the fucking time. Insurance companies cannot make a profit by paying out. If they can get away with denying coverage, they will.
It's going to be a very dark and awful place for people with disabilities. I pray we are raptured first
Yeah, forget trying to help those more unfortunate than yourself. Ask Jesus to haul your ass up to Heaven so you don't have to get your hands dirty helping the poor and the suffering. That's so Christian of you.
Or, we could charge everyone the same small fee for single payer health care and no one would ever get a hospital bill. That sounds like something that people who worship Jesus, the original Jesus and not Right-wing trickle down Jesus, would approve of.
Oh wait. I forgot the nasty rumor that the POTUS is not entirely Caucasian. I guess that all bets are off.
You have a baby with a disability? You're on the hook for all medical expenses; insurance won't pay, because you "should have put it down".
i like this quote, especially in light of the fact that health insurance companies have denied coverage for newborns on the basis of a pre-existing condition before:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-6335430.html
...and now for the triple post! In my first comment, that first "privatized" should be "socialized." Don't know how I managed that, but I can't go back and edit it since I'm on a different computer now.
You believe, you imagine, you thank God, you pray. You don't do anything like, say, unbiased research.
Our government would make you shit yourself in fear. They are ACTUAL SOCIALISTS. The US Democrats would be to the right of the middle on our political spectrum.
We have universal health care for ALL - including the elderly, the disabled, the drunks, the homeless, the addicts etc. etc. with no regard to any existing conditions.
Countries with UHC look at the free market health care in the USA with horror. It's just SUCH a bad idea to let money control who gets care and who doesn't.
"You have a baby with a disability? You're on the hook for all medical expenses; insurance won't pay, because you "should have put it down"
Actually insurance wouldn't pay before because a disabled child could be considered a preexisting condition.
Hell some pregnant woman couldn't get insurance because pregnancy is a preexisting condition.
Oh how I wish people such as yourself would disappear from the planet.
"I believe, as time goes by, people over the age, of say, 70, will not get to choose. They will be denied ICU stays, operations, dialysis, surgery, etc. They will slowly be led from "right to die" to being put down; and eventually everyone who isn't working and paying X amount of taxes will be denied medical care and killed. "
We already have that, it's called conservacare.
"I pray we are raptured first."
Your prayers failed. Have you tried Allah? Maybe he gives better service.
eventually everyone who isn't working and paying X amount of taxes will be denied medical care and killed.
No. That's what's happening now in the US. You lose your job, you lose your health insurance.
They will slowly be led from "right to die" to being put down
By whom? What doctor or hospital wants to give their most lucrative customers to the funeral parlor? Do you think an oncologist, faced with a patient with a cancerous tumor, is going to say "heck, don't waste $60,000 on surgery and chemo. Go home and die."?
@ farpadokly:
The only reason it has successfully happened in America is because Americans are uniquely stupid amongst Western nations. It is impossible to convince large numbers of Europeans that reactionary politics are good, but this is the default belief of Americans. Everything that a civilized country would do, America does the opposite. Only America throws its weight around and acts like an imperialist hegemon; America is the sole reason that Africa and the Middle East are so screwed up. No matter who is the president, there is no real change. The only way I will be able to regain my sanity is if I leave the United States forever.
After the 'I believe' section, there is supposed to be a 'because' section. Without a basis for the belief, the belief can reasonably be considered 'insane'.
Also note how the rambling post progresses from 'I believe' to 'it's going to be'. Evidently, their fundyism has blurred the lines between imagination and reality.
"I believe, as time goes by"
How much time?? It's been over 60 fucking years since we got the NHS here in the UK, and none of the crap you're spouting has happened... hell, quite a few are being FORCED to have treatment when they just want to end it.
Sorry bitch, but your fantasy ain't gonna happen any time soon.
Brendan Rizzo
@ erlando:
This is what I mean. You look at us with shock and horror. We still don't have universal health care, and Obamacare is worse than nothing at all. I don't want to be American anymore. We haven't held the moral high ground since the sixties.
We held the moral high ground while we were banning abortions and hosing down black people!
Acts5:41: Stop voting republican.
@ Brendan Rizzo
I don't want to be American anymore.
The only way I will be able to regain my sanity is if I leave the United States forever.
If you think I will cry a single tear for your Anti-American butt...think again. Don't let the door hit you n the ass on your way out.
Run away Sir Robin - don't try to stay and fix anything.
image
Brave Sir Robin
America is the sole reason that Africa and the Middle East are so screwed up.
Hyperbole much?
@Brendan RizoIt is impossible to convince large numbers of Europeans that reactionary politics are good, but this is the default belief of Americans.
To be fair, Seppo reactionaries haven't triggered a world war or (recently) commited genocide.
@Brendan Rizzo: The only way I will be able to regain my sanity is if I leave the United States forever.
Just go. Quit talking about it and go. I, for one, won't consider it a loss.
Maybe you can move in with Headache.
I read RR 9ugh) and the link to the Daily "Hate". It was a report by a senior doctor of how people were put into a course of treatment that would end in their deaths. This was meant for the terminally ill of very old age to allow a gentle way out.
The doctor claimed some were being put into it early: there has been a resounding silence from all responsible authorities. Either he is sensationalising (and looking at the paper reporting it, I wouldn't be surprised) or there is a massive cover up by all parties including the ethics committees, the unions, the police etc, etc
@ TheJebusFire:
No, we held the moral high ground when we had Johnson's Great Society.
@ everyone else:
If America had kept its social programs and improved on them, like Europe did, then I would love this country and be even angrier with the reactionaries who want to destroy it than I am now. However, they have already pretty much destroyed it. For some reason, the American people are unique in despising the basic principles of civilized society: that poverty is a societal failing that should be eliminated, that religion should have no influence in government, and that nobody should die because they cannot afford health care. Even the oppressed people under the iron heels of dictatorships want those things; they are just denied them by their governments. In America, however, you see white trash, who would have everything to gain and nothing to lose from the adoption of European social policies, speak out the loudest against them. Not a day goes by where I do not hear news of yet more reactionary successes in destroying American democracy. Stopping them looks like it will be as futile as stopping Hitler's rise to power in the twenties. I am sorry if calling 'em like I see 'em has pissed all of you off, but if I thought this country could be fixed, I wouldn't be commenting.
True story, a lady at work (I work in health insurancey kinda field) spent minutes deriding the entire system and how horrible it is yada yada. Then she says something about the upcoming decision on ACA. I suggest she's probably hoping for a change. She says, I kid you not, "that would ruin everything!"
Q. What do the 50 countries listed by the CIA World Factbook as having a longer average life expectancy than the USA have in common with the 33 countries the UN claim have a lower infant mortality rate?
A. 'Socialist' health systems.
> and eventually everyone who isn't working and paying X amount of taxes will be denied medical care and killed.
*facepalm*
And here in the atheistic socialist wonderlands, the elderly get great healthcare, and continue to do so since the days they were just younglings. And the sky hasn't fallen yet.
> You have a baby with a disability? You're on the hook for all medical expenses; insurance won't pay, because you "should have put it down". Same with elderly and disabled. If you can't pay, they don't get medical care and die.
Funny. Here in the atheistic socialist wonderlands, all children get completely free healthcare, no questions asked. And the sky, as previously pointed out, hasn't fallen yet.
"You have a baby with a disability?"
The way things are going, more like they'll be able to correct any abnormalities via genetic manipulation.
Which is far more likely to happen than your so-called '(C)Rapture'. Three words: Human Genome Project.
...oh, and three letters: N.H.S.
@#1418490
"I fail to understand how the entire world is coming to end just because a law that mandates you have healthcare was deemed constitutional"
Like I say, our National Health Service. Instituted in the late 1940s. We're still here.
Healthcare-wise, welcome to the 20th Century, USA.
I'm disabled and doctors already treat me like shit that should not have been spawned. I agree with her, though she be a fundie.
Edit: Apparently both she and her husband are also disabled? It makes even more sense that she would feel that way. Able bodied people don't usually have experience in what we go through at the doctor's office. We are already denied care because people don't think we're worth it, not to mention what happens in nursing homes. Having an opinion that this might get worse isn't crazy at all. She's just framing it as if the unsaid became said.
@ #1419378:
No...just no! I am 21 years old, I have a disability (Asperger syndrome) and I still get SSDI checks to help me and support my family (and no, I'm not just sitting on my butt, I'm trying to get employed too)! You fail, Acts5:41-so shut up!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
To post a comment, you'll need to Sign in or Register . Making an account also allows you to claim credit for submitting quotes, and to vote on quotes and comments. You don't even need to give us your email address.
