That is not what I was saying here. The rapist certainly is responsible for his actions. However, if the girl involved has dressed immodestly, she shares that responsibility.
A few months ago, when I went to bed, I left some cookies out. When we got up the next morning, there were two smiling kids and cookie crumbs in living room. they were wrong for eating the cookies, and touching what was not theirs to touch, but I was also wrong for giving them a strong temptation. I should have removed the temptation from them. Likewise, a girl who dresses immodestly is setting up a temptation for men. Some men may be able to contain themselves and their thoughts. Other men may not be as strong. Their thoughts run away with them, and they lust after the flesh they see, but they are able to contain it at that. But men who are weaker still may not even be able to stop there. These men may go further and act on their desires. If a man commits rape, has he done wrong? Absolutely! If the woman tempted him, is she wrong as well? Sure is! This flies in the face of the sensibilities we have all been taught because we have believed a lie. We have believed that we can do whatever we want and there are no consequences to our sins. This is a lie.
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First, what were you doing eating cookies before bed? You know they give you nightmares.
Second, you sure know a lot about this, don't you?
Third, you are a misogynist. Shut up.
Voicing a secret fantasy, bro Randy?
Also Rape Apologist Award for this creep.
And finally, please stay away from the teens.
Remember girls, stay away from Bro Randy has he can't control his zipper.
And thanks Bro Randy for flying this shit right in the face of perfectly reasonable men who don't feel the need to rape every girl they see in a tank top. Thanks so much.
If he didn't want me to steal his car and then run him over with it, he should've hidden his keys better.
I can't fucking help being tempted.
Lust is not an autonomous human drive and any man can resist the urge to rape at any time. Misogyny and male entitlement are usually the reasons why it happens and thus the responsibility for rape exists entirely with the rapist. (edit:)It is about power, not sex.
Also, women wearing burkas in the middle east are still raped and sexually assaulted at astronomically high numbers, even though they are covered from head to toe, so that blows your "rape happens when women are dressed immodestly" therory out of the water. So shut the fuck up and stop blaming the victims you deciteful, bigotted, misogynistic assjack.
Rape is not about sex; it's about power. People don't rape because they have some uncontrollable sex drive. People rape because they like the feeling of having absolute power over someone. There have been documented cases of heterosexual men raping other men, which is evidence of this (though, I should note, not the sole evidence, since there have been many psychological evaluations of rapists pointing in this direction as well)
Argh! I hate this guy so much!
Randy, here's a thought for you, from man to... uhm... man (?): nothing, ever , in any possible world or scenario, justifies sexual violence against another person. Full stop. Even if the woman was completely naked it doesn't take away any responsibility from the rapist, so shut the fuck up.
Mind you, if we went with your world view I'd say "The person beating the living shit out of another person is certainly to blame for his actions. However, if the other person spouts unmitigated, mindless, misogynistic fundie bullshit, he sure as fuck shares that responsibility!". Grrr...
THIS MAN IS OBSESSED WITH WOMEN'S CLOTHING!
Sorry for the caps but somebody check Hoover's grave and make sure he's dead and not on, "Teens-4-Christ".
Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
He went on: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (veil), no problem would have occurred."
Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.
Huh.
So, when God Hisself left the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" lying out in the open unguarded, it's His own fault that Adam and Eve ate it...
'Course, brer Randy never would think of it like that.
Proof that in Randy's view, a woman (or girl, in his case) is nothing but a warm place to stick it. They have no humanity that should be respected.
And he has the gall to claim that atheists see people as valueless.
That whole thread is filled with such vile, disgusting misogyny that my blood boils just from reading it. I don't think I've ever seen such a disgusting collection of fail in my entire life.
Bro. Rancid keeps writing about how Katyanne was molested as an 8 year old because her school and her parents made her wear a short skirt.
And then, at one point, he asserts that a woman wearing the "immodest clothing" is "guilty of adultery," on the same level as a man who looks at her with lust.
HEADDESK, HEADDESK, HEADDESK!!!
Oh, and incidentally, for you guys who are interested in facts rather than Bro. Stinky's "feelings" about why people are raped, I present you these statistics about rape victims' clothing and behavior at the time of the rape.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=776945
That's the worst analogy EVER.
A) What the hell does eating cookies have to do with rape?
B) Why does how a woman dresses even factor in?
C) Why are kids at this guy's house?
D) It's really scary that people still hold on to this kind of thinking when every expert on the subject says the direct opposite.
The Watcher: Thanks for posting that link, as it corroborates exactly what I said before. Rape is about power, not about sex.
On a side not, Bro Randy clearly has some bizarre temptations...
However, if the girl involved has dressed immodestly, she shares that responsibility.
thankfully the law disagrees, you absolute cunt
Well, instead of making excuses for your own weakness of moral character [and blaming the poor little "eye-candy" for it], try this:
Find a good philosophy to follow, one with a strong moral code. Learn to do what is right, even if it means denying your hormonal urges.
In other words, lose the bible shtick and read some Plato or something.
Yes, this is definitely a repost, which is why I voted against it this time around.
Folks, before submitting a post that is more than a few weeks old, it's often a good idea to search the site first to see if it's already here somewhere. Someone might have submitted it back when it was new -- as was the case here.
~David D.G.
Motherfuck, this rape apologist claims that the Bible (God's word) backs up the rapist against the victim. Any parent that allows their children to read this Rape Encouraging website should be convicted of child abuse and given a brain scan to prove one exists. What the fucking idiotic religion ordained a rape enabler to allow him claim he is a minister? "Jesus wept."
Oh it's Brother Randy again.
Trying for Rape Apologist Douchebag of the Year now, is he?
You know what would go some way toward convincing me that there is a god out there? Brother Randy is struck from on high with penile gangrene.
Bro. Randy's one redeeming comment in this entire thread:
Finally, any man that would touch an eight year old child is sick anyway. I hope the organs that led him to such an act have bee surgically removed from his body with a dull axe.
PEP 3000 gets points for retaining his common sense and decency in the face of Bro. Randy's disgusting indoctrination.
I tried to read the thread but it just creeped me out-all that "Amen Bro Randy" "I'm with you" shit. Do these kids even stop to think or do they just chime in to keep their sorry selves from being banned?
And by the way-anytime you leave cookies out overnight, it's just an open invitation to Santa Claus to drop off a few presents. No wonder there were crumbs and smiling kids in your living room the next day. Don't blame the kids for eating the cookies when you know damn well that Santa did it!
@Dog
It's just a cult over there, no more, no less. It's not a fear of being banned, it's that they've latched onto their idol so firmly, that whatever he says, they take as gospel.
The last few lines of this post seem to suggest that women get raped for sinning.
I thought God passed judgment, not the horrific desires of men.
However, if the girl involved has dressed immodestly, she shares that responsibility.
In the majority of cases the girl IS dressed modestly.
When we got up the next morning, there were two smiling kids and cookie crumbs in living room.
Wild fantasies much?
Why don't you take a seat over there.
AUUUUGH IT'S NOT ABOUT SEX AND NOT ABOUT MODESTY AT ALL.
It's like the cats-to-meat analogy... it fails just as hard.
This calls for the girly-legged Oedipus macro.
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"Finally, any man that would touch an eight year old child is sick anyway. I hope the organs that led him to such an act have bee surgically removed from his body with a dull axe."
- Bro. Rancid wishes he never said that as he prepares his defence after his arrest for sex murder. He also wishes that he could have at least spelt it correctly.
"hey were wrong for eating the cookies, and touching what was not theirs to touch, but I was also wrong for giving them a strong temptation. I should have removed the temptation from them."
Kinda kills your whole forbidden fruit story...
This man is telling teenagers that if they dress immodestly and are raped it's partly their fault? That's right, traumatize the girls further for not being perfect little fundie angels!
God has a special level of hell for you, Randy. It'll involve a pineapple, a letter opener, and a staple gun.
Rape is an act of violence, not an act of sex or even lust. The fault always lies with the perpetrator.
Ladies, aim for the balls. The harder the kick, the better. And, if at all possible, please record the fucking bastard's strangled scream for the delectation and delight of us normal men. We hate those twisted fuckers as much as anyone.
@Moordryd:
Just as there are people (known as kleptomaniacs) who cannot resist the urge to steal, it is entirely possible that there are men who cannot resist the urge to rape. The issue is with people who consider it normal and demand that females change their behaviour, vis a vis people (like me) who consider it grounds for being locked up in an insane asylum (at least if it were a serious enough case as to cause a jailable offence).
Rape is the fault of the rapist, never the victim! Quit being a rape appologist! If someone rapes you, would it be your fault? No, so stop it with this bullshit.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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