Oh by the way, who is responsible for this instance: a little girl is in public school and the school dictates the uniform and it is a short skirt and a shirt. The girls Christian parents don't argue with the school but send her to school in the uniform. The girl gets sexually abused. Was it her fault or her parents fault?
Katy-Anne
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It's the fault of the guys who abuse her. And Katyann, scenarios at absurdum don't work. No public school will impose an uniform and even if there is uniform with a relatively short skirt(as mine was when I went to the Loretto Nuns in Ireland), neither I nor any of my classmates was abused. Why?, because the boys around us were civilised enough to keep their urges.
I don't know how many more of these I can read before throwing up and losing the last shred of faith in humanity.
I know none of the twats-4-randy cultists will ever read our comments here, but for the sake of it: It's the fault of whoever decides to violate her. Her choice of apparel has exactly zero to do with it. Even if she was running around naked it wouldn't make any difference in the allocation of guilt whatsoever. I'm a man and I can control where my penis goes or doesn't go. The second I feel I lose that ability I should seek immediate psychological help.
How people like Katy-Anne can claim any moral high ground whatsoever is beyond me. Sickening.
Oh good lord. The schol required her to wear the uniform, the parents wanted her to go to school so they bought her the uniform, the abuser abused her. It's a stupid scenario, but in what sick mind could any of it possibly be "her fault"?
However, I prefer quoting Mrs Debbie, Bro. Randy and Mrs Kelly, his wife, or any person who has confessed to be an adult. Why?, well, these guys say such stupid comments because they're 16 on average, and at that age, the level of stupidity reaches the peak. Bro. Randy and the rest of the adults in the forum indeed advocate this victim-blaming, which makes it even more terrifying.
It was YOUR fault for making up such a ridiculous story. People like you make the world an unsafe place.
I'd never wish rape upon anyone, but I'm pretty close with you.
You people are a sad joke and an embarassment to Christianity. God would tell you to stop insulting him by excusing the guilty party to forward your anti-female agenda of hate. It is the fault of the ABUSER damnit, no one else, although I might throw in RAPE-APOLOGISTS like you worms at turds-4-creeps.
No, dimrod, it was entirely the thought of the person who abused her. What part of "personal responsibility" don't you understand?
Oh, that's right, fundies think that because "jesus died for our sins" (whatever that means), they have no personal responsibility and just can't comprehend the concept.
#266128 - Me, again. Forgot to retype my name, again.
I wish the edit function would be restored. Would it help to pray to Yahweh?
Katy-anne: do you paint all your windows on the inside? If you don't, and one day I walk by your place and inadvertantly see some ankle through the window, well, you'll only have yourself to blame for making me VOMIT!
Here's how it works: if somebody steals my watch, it's the fault of the guy who stole my watch, not mine for wearing a watch. If somebody spray-paints my car, it's the fault of the guy who spray-painted the car, not mine for owning a car or the store's for selling him the paint. If somebody burns down a black congregation's church, it's the fault of the guy who burned down the church, not the parishioners for being black or the store who sold him the matches. Get the pattern here?
Besides, (a) there's no correlation between being sexually abused and what the victim was wearing; (b) most rapes are planned, especially those involving children - people rarely get attacked just because someone sees them in a short skirt; (c) the law doesn't allow the "she was wearing a short skirt" defense - our legislators know better.
PROTIP: Unless you're wearing a tent like the women in Afghanistan used to, anyone with a bit of imagination can extrapolate your figure fairly accurately. Essentially, the clothing you wear has nothing to do with sexual abuse.
Later in the thread she claims it actually happened to her - if that's true and she's still asking the question - then the level to which she's been brainwashed is terrifying.
Also, they go on and on about men being above women - if they actually believe that crap then they should know that any decent man possesses a little thing called self-control.
So, you'd rather she wore pants? Or, would a burka be better?
Or, is it that she wore a shirt? Would it be better if she wore a short skirt but no shirt?
Even if your little scenario was true, what she was wear had nothing to do with her abuse. That problem is in the abuser.
You're a fucking sick bitch. I suppose I should count myself lucky you're not a man, though, or else you'd be out actually raping any woman who isn't wearing a floor-length skirt and an iron chastity belt.
Well, obviously, it's everyone's fault except that of the abuser. You people harp on personal responsibility and on not making immoral lifestyle choices, but only when it suits you.
"Randy goes on to say that little 8 year old girls have no idea the effect they have on men when they are wearing short skirts."
Anyone who looks at an 8 year old girl in a skirt and sees anything but an innocent child needs to be kept away from children.
Katy-Anne, yer a fool. The skirts on school uniforms always come down to the knees on girls. The only reason you see them walking around in shorty-skirts is because the girls themselves roll them up at the waste to get them that short.
Seriously, your naivete is astonishing.
The blame for sexual abuse lies with the abuser, the person who chose to do harm. I don't know where people get the insane idea that it's okay to blame the victim for someone else's wrongdoing. It doesn't matter what the victim was doing or wearing. The abuser is the one at fault. The abuser is the one who broke the law. The abuser is the one who deserves to be punished. Whatever your feelings on proper attire, victims should be protected, not blamed. They have been through enough and do not need your self-righteous flogging on top of it all.
There are few things that disgust me more than female misogynists. I hope to God you never have daughters, Katy-Anne.
Read the whole thread. It's truly heartbreaking, because Katy Anne reveals that SHE was molested, and I... in all seriousness, it nearly made me cry.
I don't want to yell at her, she seems to have genuine mental health problems. Bro Randy is a evil, evil person for encouraging suc self-blame.
"Randy goes on to say that little 8 year old girls have no idea the effect they have on men when they are wearing short skirts."
Eighteen, I could understand. But 8 years old? Holy shit, what a freak.
Randy also goes on to say this:
"In Mat 5:28, Jesus said, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
To me, that sounds like the woman is as guilty of the act of adultery as the man is. "
Nowhere in that passage does it say anything about the way the woman is dressed. He's pulling shit out of his ass now.
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
NEITHER.
The girl shouldn't have been forced to wear the uniform if she disliked it.
I have no idea why you hate men, but penises do not start pointing to rape-o-clock the moment their owner glimpses a short skirt. If this was the case no rapes would ever occur in countries where women wear burquas.
It was not the girl's fault. It was not her parents' fault. It was the ABUSER'S fault. It is always the abuser's fault.
It is, of course, the sexual molester's fault, and no one else's.
T4C is getting really scary. I wish they were just a bunch of trolls.
Also, private schools have short skirts too. Public schools usually don't have uniforms at all.
Frankly, if you cannot work out who that the only one responsible in this sort of situation is the attacker, then you have some serious, serious issues.
Short answer is no. Slightly longer answer is it's the abuser's fault. Sarcastic answer is it's the skirt's fault so she should wear it. Serious answer is that even if she were to run around naked there is no excuse for abuse.
As for this being what happened to her when she was 8, I hope the sick fuck was castrated, with a machete.
Well, Katyann will never properly proselytise well, because she will never explain what sin means, since she is taking away the notion of personal responsability. She will never convert intelligent people, only stupid teenagers like her.
THAT, I would think, would be the school's fault for allowing short skirts ,idiot. If the girl had come to school without the uniform, she would have gotten in trouble, I'll bet. And if the parents hadn't argued against a 'little girl' wearing a short skirt, they're messed up.
Um, also, Katyanne is from Queensland. In summer, the temperatures hover around 35-40C. Thin cotton short skirts and short-sleeved tops are for comfort and safety: to prevent heat-stroke. The skirts are generally just above knee length (although the cool girls usually hike them up a bit!). Not immodest in my book. Later in the thread, Katyanne says it happened to her. I have my doubts, but it could explain why she is so screwed up.
Here's a scenario for you, Katy-Anne:
Now, who is at fault here?
Hint: it's the ABUSER, you bleach-brained sheep!
Lia says:
They only have that 'effect' on paedophiles. Normal people don't see children as sexual objects.
If Katyann was the one who was molested(she's profiting internet's anonymity), I would wonder who was so monstruous as to think that it was her fault, at 8. And regarding the nature of the crime, and the accusers she suggest, it's the school.
1. I've never seen a uniform skirt above near-knee length. Are we talking secular-short or Christian-short?
2. HOW ABOUT THE ABUSER'S FAULT, FUCKTARD?
...Seriously? It's the abuser's fault, you worthless cuntrag.
I can barely believe this idiot is for real.
Neither, the guilt lies solely with the abuser.
Little old ladies wearing woolly cardigans and long skirts are getting sexually abused too; it has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power, dominion.
Okay, that's it.
Katy-Anne and AshleyBrianne are now at the top of the list of those that really NEED to be kidnapped and deprogrammed!!
They are as blind, programmed, and dangerous, as Charlie M's "girls" and we all know how they ended up!
I have this sudden urge to go to /b/ and get someone to drop docs on both of then so a rescue mission can be mounted.
I'll take doors number three and four, (3) the abuser's fault, and (4) the school's fault, if they were not sufficiently vigilant. When you put "her fault" on the list, Katy-Anne, that is just sick.
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