If natural selection is a universal rule, molecules will find ways to live on the surface of the sun.
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Physics and chemistry fail.
But being homeschooled by your ignorant and superstitious fundie parents is more than enough when all you really need to know is how to ask "do you want fries with that? " and how to operate a cash register. Who needs to know all that stupid science stuff anyway?
Umm...
Really, now.
Please go to the library, find a very basic science book, and a very basic dictionary. Read them. When you don't understand something in one, look it up in the other. If you still have questions, ask..
You know what? Screw it. .45 to the head. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Thank you, better luck next time.
Let me guess... homeschooled
Well, maybe you should visit a real school for some years, before you try to talk again about science ;)
They won't, because they don't need to.
And even if they did, they still probably wouldn't evolve to. Sometimes they die out before they evolve.
Ummmm, no. Really, no. If you aren't being homeschooled, I suggest you go to another school because your public school is really failing you on teaching you the basic fundementals of science.
This isn't just physics fail, or biology fail, or astronomy fail, or chemistry fail... This may just be epic fail of all scientific fields. All at once. In one sentence.
That's amazing...
sigh...
Natural selection only applies to organisms that have already begun life. The surface of the sun would quickly dissolve anything even remotely approaching DNA, so there is no chance for life to start, meaning that natural selection does not apply. It is "universal" in the sense that it is not restricted to Earth, but it only applies to living organisms.
@wackadoodle
There are bacteria that live in the hot acidic water around volcanic vents and tailings dams, tough these temperatures are far below those found on the surface of the sun (60-90ºC, compared to 5000-6000ºC).
The temperatures on the surface of the sun are more than hot enough to decompose even the simplest of molecules. And the surface of the sun is the coolest part.
So... it's Nonsense Day, right? We're all just chucking random words together into sentences to see what we come up with? Because really, that is the only reason I can see for this sentence's existence.
But...molecules do exist on the surface of the sun. And molecules, individually, are not alive. The atoms that make up the cells in your body? Not alive.
Also, natural selection has fuck all with getting life TO a place to begin with. It's only about the adaptation and survival/extinction of creatures that are already alive somewhere.
Were you born totally stupid, or did you work very hard to become that way?
Everything is made up of molecules, except what molecules are made up of. They don't "live," and yes, the sun is made up of molecules.
Everyone should have learned this in about third grade science class.
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If natural selection is a universal rule,
Natural selection applies only to life that already exists and not, as you seem to assume, the actual universe itself.
molecules will find ways to live on the surface of the sun.
"Molocules" are not a form of life and therefore do not "live" anywhere.
If you are going to insist on trashing science then at least bother to learn the science you intend on critisizing so you don't look like a backward homeschooled idiot who makes up shit as they go along.
And if your god is real, you can dance on the sun's surface and be assured that he'll shield such a faithful follower as yourself, just as he protected Meshach, Shadrach and Abednego from Nebuchadnezzar's furnace in the Book of Daniel.
G'wan, demonstrate your faith. At least stand in a campfire for an hour or two. I eagerly anticipate your attempt.
lupinella
2+french toast= monkeys.
Just thought I'd continue the conversation in his surreality.
I agree; nothing goes with French toast like monkeys. Personally, I like them as a side, as opposed to an an ingredient in the toast, but your opinion may vary.
The consequent doesn't necessarily flow from the antecedent. Could you outline the selective pressures you envision as proceeding to this result?
Given that the temperature of the sun is so high that molecules can't hold together, and single atoms are ionized to plasma, that's a very bold call. Natural selection can only choose among naturally possible outcomes, after all.
Still, I'm not prepared to assert you're necessarily wrong. Given the prima-facie implausibility of life itself, or creatures capable of flight, or intelligence or self-awareness, I freely admit that nature might yet surprise me, unlikely though I find your suggestion. There'd need to be some radical phenomena, possibly new physics, for it to be so, still I grant the hypothetical possibility. i don't see biological heat-pumps being up to the job, nor a natural refrigerator laser. Perhaps a modification of the wave-guide effects of quantum stealth technology?
However, it doesn't work the other way. The non-existence of life on the surface of the sun does not demonstrate natural selection to be invalid. The non-existence of birds in the first few billion years of life on Earth wasn't proof that they wouldn't eventually evolve.
From the song "Wonderful World"
By Herman's Hermits-
Don't know much about history,
don't know much biology.
Don't know much about a science book,
don't know much about the french I took.
But I do know that I love you,
and I know that if you love me, too,
what a wonderful world this would be.
Don't know much about geography,
don't know much trigonometry.
Don't know much about algebra,
don't know what s slide rule is for.
But I know that one and one is two,
and if this one could be with you,
what a wonderful world this would be.
The first part is SO true about fundies, but why does the second part have such homoerotic overtones in relation to their god?
The blinding stupidity of Mada's comment aside, molecules have found a way to 'live' on the surface of the sun. They congregate in the sun-spots, which at at 3000-4500K are sometimes cool enough to allow the formation of molecules of H2.
So even if Mada's statement wasn't dumber than a sack full of turnips, she would still be wrong.
To come up with a crassly stupid and ignorant objection, and still lose out to evidence. Now that's fail!
there are molecules on the sun.. those are..
Hydrogen, Helium, Oxygen, Carbon, Sulfur, Neon, Nitrogen, Silicone, and Magnesium.
Hydrogen has the Highest percentage of 73.46% and magnesium has the lowest of 0.05%.
Please note: these values will most likely change when humanity learns more about our closest star "Sol"
you fuckin idiot the sun has no surface it is made of gasses, tard!!!
i think you fucking bible bashing nuts should stop living in fantasy land just because you read a story book
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*facepalm*
I'm not so sure this is TOTALLY ridiculous. All life *is* self-replicating molecules. And seeing as Darwinian selection is most likely a universal phenomenon, if anything ever did evolve to a point where it could survive on a sun's surface (or produce technology to do the same), then it WOULD be molecules "finding ways" to live on the surface of the sun.
But i don't think that's what this guy meant.
Also, build prisons on the MOON!
The coolest layer of the Sun is a temperature minimum region about 500 km above the photosphere, with a temperature of about 4,100 K. This part of the Sun is cool enough to support simple molecules such as carbon monoxide and water, which can be detected by their absorption spectra. [Wiki]
Aside from the part where molecules aren't alive (and there are molecules on the sun (and the sun, being made primarily of superheated gasses, is a bit iffy on this "surface" thing)), there might very well be life in the sun. We have no way of knowing, obviously, since we can't go there.
Besides, natural selection -> life on the Sun is a little bit like gravity -> everything falls through the floor - obviously other forces play their parts.
If natural selection is a universal rule, molecules will find ways to live on the surface of the sun.
Congratulations! You have managed to fail at Physics, chemistry AND biology in one small sentence; by no means an ordinary feat.
And if I eat ice cream, puppies will gain the ability to fly to the moon! What Joy!!
What? Makes just as much sense...
Confused?
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