Mohammed is responsible for this.
You're more likely to be attacked by a democrat.
Roswell has a museum about aliens. Christianity today is a smoothed version of the harsh texts. Islam isn't smoothed. Islam is entering a period of change Christians completed long ago.
Very obscure. Look, I get it. There's a deep investment in pretending that nothing's going on in Islam, that Islam isn't retrograde and mideavel, that it's the same as Christianity. That explains things like millions of liberals obsessing over the 20 people in westboro baptist church. The liberals desparately need them; they serve an extremely important purpose.
See, here's the thing. You can find that in Christian text, just not in Christian practice. I know that's disappointing.
There's another Lib favorite on YouTube. It shows Christians being read parts of the bible picked to be extreme. It's designed to make Christianity look equivalent to Islam. Here's the thing. The Christians don't even recognize it as part of Christianity.
Now, show a Muslim a bit about the Koran having a hand cut off or being stoned and watch them nod.
Doesn't exactly make the point you think you're making.
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"It shows Christians being read parts of the bible picked to be extreme.... The Christians don't even recognize it as part of Christianity."
So you're saying that there are parts of the Bible that can and should be ignored? Or are you acknowledging that most Christians have never read the Bible?
"The Christians don't even recognize it as part of Christianity.
Now, show a Muslim a bit about the Koran having a hand cut off or being stoned and watch them nod."
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth... recognise it yet fuckwit? Are you nodding yet?
'Obscure'? Islam, the Democrat Party, and UFOs?
Not even Eddie Izzard or Ross Noble could come up with those non-sequiturs.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." - Ezekiel 23:20
Can the Koran compete with that? Any Muslim or ex-Muslim commenters here?
" The Christians don't even recognize it as part of Christianity. "
Because Christians have been contaminated by the secular society they live in. If you want to live a liberal free life move to a muslim country where you can kill unbelievers to your hearts content.
@Citizen Justin
Can the Koran compete with that? Any Muslim or ex-Muslim commenters here?
I'm not a Muslim, but I'm currently reading the Quran. I'm only on the sixth sura, though, but I haven't found anything yet to match that. So far, it's not been too bad, though it's a bit dull in spots. Rules for things like inheritance don't exactly make for exciting reading.
Actually it shows exactly what it intended. It shows that being a "moderate" means ignoring large portions of the religion's teachings. It shows that those "true" christians that we hear so much about would be every bit as psychotic as their true muslim brethren. It shows that both religions are nothing more than codified barbarism that many will instinctively reject if blindly exposed to it in full and which only survives through mass willful ignorance and brainwashing. Except even that isn't enough to protect it from due scrutiny anymore, hence the growing number of believers who spend their entire lives concocting elaborate works of philosophical legalise supported by inexcusably copious application of selective memory to pretend that the supposedly perfect word of god doesn't say that which it very plainly and often frequently does.
... mideavel ...
That should be midevil.
Fundamentalists of any religion are bad news.
But if you want to see interfaith squabbling, try ordering pizza to share between two Muslims, two Hindus, two vegetarians, a Buddhist, and an atheist. Our waitress almost lost the will to live.
<b>@Miles Glorious</b> I took a class on Islamic Thought. My teacher said that the Qur'an was meant to be read in Arabic because some phrases can lose their meaning in translation. Also, the Qur'an has a poetic sound in Arabic.
As far as Islam is concerned, it pretty much mirrors Christianity. The Qur'an and the Bible seem to both advocate and condemn violence at the same time. Just like Christians, most Muslims want to live in peace, a small percentage advocate violence, and there are a minority of people who are pacifists.
@Timmythepirate
I've heard it said that the Quran can't be truly translated, only interpreted. At the best of times, translation can be a dicey business, even between similar languages. With that in mind, I can see where the Muslims are coming from. That having been said, I don't understand Arabic. Since, barring any unforseen inspiration, I'm not planning to convert to Islam, an English version will have to do.
As for simultaneously advocating and condemning violence, both the Bible and Quran were written in much harsher times. Trying to apply those parts to our modern world seems to be where the problems begin, regardless of which book you're working from. From what I can see so far, it seems as if the Quran is interested almost entirely in defensive warfare. Basically, don't start shit, but if someone else starts it, fight as hard as you can until they sue for peace or are dead. Outside of defending yourself from outside aggression, life is to be preserved and respected. Assuming I'm not misunderstanding anything, that's not a philosophy I disagree with. So far, it's not as bad as I've been led to believe.
Which Mohammed? It is a very common name.
Actually, the Koran never mentions stoning, it's only in the hadiths. The Bible, however, does in many places.
I'm inclined to agree with him, at least I think I see where he's coming from.
The Islamic year is 1436 (1436 AD marked the end of the crusades) so when Christianity was still growing up it was pretty brutal.
My only hope is that, in this Information Age, it doesn't take Islam 580 years to stop having tantrums and to try and behave as a young adult. Maybe even being allowed to have a glass of wine with dinner.
Additional - The Spanish Inquisition kicked off in 1480
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