(On the Orlando shooting)
Kbut you do realize that aroace people are partially responsible for this, right? this is what happens when we start letting cishets near the LGBT community. aroace people are probably CELEBRATING THIS. celebrating the deaths of those Dirty Gays while still claiming they're oppressed.
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Apparently aromantic asexuals are straight now. Who knew?
Sadly my brother is getting on board with this anti-ace nonsense that's been going on. Given I'm asexual myself, it's really turning me against the LGBT community.
@Caroli
I can't speak for the whole LGBT community, but I want to apologize anyway.
I am deeply sorry and ashamed of my community for excluding aromantic/ asexuals. We should know better. These cracks in acceptance show how deep these prejudices run in society. I want you to feel welcome, and it's understandable that you don't feel welcome with all the ace hate. Again, I'm sorry.
Only a very sick person can CELEBRATE that people you don't know, who haven't done anything to you, are murdered.
The shooter had been frequenting the bar for some time and there were signs that he himself was gay or bi. So no, keeping cishets away from LGBT community would probably not have helped in this case. More than anything else, he seems to have been a gun-nut, and he was investigated for connections to terrorism a couple of years before the shooting.
@Liz_7
Thank you, Liz but there's no need for a single person to apologise on behalf of others for something they don't believe themselves. LGBT people are great, all of my closest friends are in there somewhere. I'm technically there too, even if I don't consider myself a part of the community. It's just the very defensive nature that the community can sometimes have that results in the somewhat conservative approach of excluding others in the name of keeping those who are there safe. It's happened with Bis, also under the belief that they're "technically straight and infiltrating".
But lurking at this site, even if quite blood boiling at times, has taught me that there are bad eggs for even the best of intentions, more so when said groups grow beyond the point of reasonable moderation. It's also taught me that the source of so much trouble here is hate. And I'll occasionally be angry. Maybe disenfranchised. But I don't have to try hard to keep hate out of my heart. And I think it's going to stay that way.
EDIT: I know I said there was no need for an apology, and I still stand by that. But nonetheless, it did ease the trouble I've been feeling. So thank you for that.
You know what I celebrate? That people who hate sexual minorities - regardless of preference or lack thereof - for engaging in consensual sex with the partners of their choice will one day, assuming we aren't extinct within the next 200 years, be a small minority howling in the wind.
@ Doubting Thomas:
I hope the same...And yet I know well what likely awaits us.
For the sake of our friends...for the sake of our enemies...our only hope is that the good form up and find a way to overcome the evil.
Our ancestors did it. Now, slow learners that some people are, we have no ethical alternative but to do this again ...oppose them; in open and in secret, collectively and individually. Confuse and outwit them; somehow survive their idiocy without being overcome.
A very tall order. No one should openly answer the following question here, but who is prepared to resist (through small subversive acts to larger ones)?
We've been here before. Now we're here again, alas. God help me; I never wanted to be in this situation again.
My best friend, who is like a sister to me, is an aromantic asexual. So, you can fuck off, first of all.
Secondly, as a bisexual dating a man I have heard plenty of times that I'm not actually bi and need to stop lying, from gay men. The community is territorial and petty at some of the edges.
@creativerealms
I think I can manage that. Basically, they're saying 'asexual/aromantic people are different than us, therefore they need to be destroyed.'
What's really disappointing is that this was the same, and only, argument used against the LGBT community. I'm very sad to see how quickly some will turn on those who need compassion just as they did. Or should I say do, considering who's in the whitehouse I guess LGBT aren't anywhere close to being out of the woods, yet.
I would have thought that there would be more rage towards heteroromantic aces, since we show romantic attraction to the opposite gender...but no, this idiot has decided to attack people with no attraction to any gender at all...
@Demon Duck: I'm not sure I'd call five years "a while," but that's just me.
And I know they've always been around, I just wish they'd quit coming up with new words and terms you have to learn. Like "ace" when "asexual" worked perfectly well. Or all the various permutations of "trans," it seems everyday there's a new one you have to use and stop using the last one.
I'm a big proponent of "pick one and stick with it," which is one reason I identify as bi even though people tell me I should call myself pan.
@Thanos:I
1. "Ace" is just a shortening à la bi.
2. I am not aware of any variations of "trans." Well, maybe "trans*", but I think that's stupid and a decent chunk of trans people agree with me.
3. There is no "should" with regards to sexual orientation labels. Lots of people identify as bi when pan might be more accurate.
@Thanos
Patton Oswalt did a bit about that in his last special (it's on Netflix). He was talking about how RuPaul was being attacked for using the word "tranny" and then he gave 2 speeches. The first used a lot of politically incorrect words but was in favor of trans rights. The second used all the up to the minute terminology but was an argument against LGBT rights. Surprise, surprise, most people will swallow the bad message while ignoring the good if it's said the right way.
@Thanes: pretty sure "cishet" has been around for a decade or two, at least. Not sure about "aroace."
And then there's demisexual, sapiosexual....
(Don't get me started on "reclaiming." Is queer a slur or a proud subculture? Depends on who you ask and what day it is!)
Somedays I wish English had its own version of the Académie française.
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