I think it is YOU who does not understand what separation of church and state means. It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular world-view (which in the Founder's time was called Religion).
The MoCo school board is forcing a particular worldview on its students by presenting homosexuality as innate (which is a belief, not a fact) and 'normal' and 'acceptable.' You do not get to say that your worldview about moral behavior is ok for the state to support and mine is not.
Therefore, we leave the issue out of the tax-funded forum! You see, that is separation of Church and state. Just because your church is the one of "secularism' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable.
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One, if homosexuality is innate or not must be a FACT, not an opinion. Either is in the genes, or not. A simple study would confirm it. And, of course, that homosexuality is natural or not is not a religious statement, so the first ammendment still applies.
"Just because your church is the one of "secularism' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable."
secular adjective
secularism noun
(Cambridge International Dictionary.)
So secularism would be the doctrine of the separation of church and state, a constitutional right. Apparently, flabbergasted is flabbergasted to find out that constitution rights are being banded around as though they were somehow guaranteed by the constitution or something.
Nominate for 'unacceptable ursine defecation in arboreal habitats' award.
I think it is YOU who does not understand what separation of church and state means. It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular religion (which in the Founder's time was also called Religion).
You are proposing forcing a particular religion on its students by presenting homosexuality as a choice (which is a belief, not a fact) and 'abomination' and 'sin.' You do not get to say that your religion about moral behavior is ok for the state to support and reality is not.
Therefore, we leave the issue out of the tax-funded forum! You see, that is separation of Church and state. Just because your church is the one of "fundieism' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable.
Fixed.
"presenting homosexuality as innate (which is a belief, not a fact)"
We have this wonderful technology now called magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI for short. Basically, it allows us to 'see' the tiny electrical currents in the brain when it processes certain stimuli.
The funny thing is, when gay men are subjected to sexual images, the areas of the brain that deal with sexual attraction react in exactly the same way as that of a straight female (which is dissimilar to straight men), with little to no input for the parts of the brain responsible for conscious thought.
Such things prove beyond a shadow of a fucking doubt that homosexuality is hard-wired in the brain and unchangeable by any methods known to modern medicine or psychiatry, in other words innate.
You're assertion that secularism is a religion is also fundamentally stupid, since that is like calling bald a hair colour.
Good day to you, sir.
Separation of Church and State is a great idea until the State does something my Church doesn't agree with. Then, vested with the power of an imaginary Sky Daddy, we get to stomp all over the Constitution and force these heathen bastards back into line.
Now, I'm not an American, but wasn't this batshit idea of secularism as a religion settled in the courts back in the 80's?
@freako104
Hey! I live in Montgomery County! I thought we'd flushed all the fundibigots like flabbergass down the loo years ago. They must be like those albino alligators, breeding in the sewers and occasionally slitering back through a crack in a toilet pipe.
BTW, Montgomery County IS indeed both liberal and multi-cultural.
Huh. Well, then you wouldn't mind if we took any mention at all of God and the Bible out of schools, then - or any other tax-funded forum. That includes Intelligent Design because it mentions a "creator" which some people don't believe in.
Why? Because your church is one of "Christianity", which has a long and proven history of forcing a particular worldview onto others.
No? Well, then STFU.
I think it is YOU who does not understand what separation of church and state means. It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular world-view (which in the Founder's time was called Religion).
The MoCo school board is forcing a particular worldview on its students by presenting being black as innate (which is a belief, not a fact) and 'normal' and 'acceptable.' You do not get to say that your worldview about moral behavior is ok for the state to support and mine is not.
Therefore, we leave the issue out of the tax-funded forum! You see, that is separation of Church and state. Just because your church is the one of "acceptance ' doesn't make it any less Constitutionally supportable.
Because separation of church and state ONLY applies to what the fundies object to. When it refers to teaching religion/creation/whatever in school, well, then, there's no separation at all!
What sucks is that this is going on right where I live. *humiliated*
The American Psychological Association, as well as numerous University researchers agree, homosexuality is innate! It won't hurt you, unless you fail to use enough lube.
"The MoCo school board is forcing a particular worldview on its students by presenting homosexuality as innate"
Of course that world view is supported by the known facts and simple human decency.
Just because there still some churches that also accept facts and human decency doesn't make realty and decency a "religious" world view.
In short, just because YOU'RE a MoronIc Choad, don't' assume the rest of us are.
"It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular world-view"
Well, all of science and math and any interpretation of grammar or literature does have some sort of perspective to it, so... Shut down the schools.
I'll be in private university, taking a fairly unbiased religion class and getting my Bachelor's in computer science.
Jezebel's Evil Sister, Doctor Whom, perhaps we are having definition issues. MC is not ethnically homogeneous (although I have a friend from Bethesda who calls his town "white-topia"), but I can't exactly call it diverse, either. I feel like calling it multi-cultural is a bit of a stretch, but maybe not completely out of the question.
"It means that the state cannot use the public schools (or the courts) to enforce any particular world-view"
Actually, the State CAN use the public schools (and the courts) to enforce any world-view it chooses (like indoctrinating us against Communism when I was a kid)...what it cannot do it enforce a world-view (or any other view) that stems from religious belief.
The State is secular and may only enforce secular world-views.
Are you working for the Conservapedia Word Redefinition Project, or what?
Religion meant religion in the Founders' time too, stupid, it's not that long ago. Btw, why are you only talking about one Founder?
The evidence all points towards homosexuality being innate, normal and acceptable, so it's much, much more than a belief. Moral behavior is probably also innate, as those who work against society (as in harming others or infringing on their human rights) are detrimental to society. Christianity, on the other hand, is definitely NOT innate, but a learned trait. So what?
Confused?
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