Yes the commandment is (Thou Shalt Do no Murder)
Did you know you can Love your enemies and shoot them to?
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Even if you COULD love someone you're murdering...
the commandment is not 'Thou shalt not murder someone you hate'.
You can love someone all you like, but murdering them is STILL against the commandments!
No, I can honestly say I did not know that.
Hey, isn't that the typical movie psychopath line of reasoning? "I love you, that's why I chopped you up and keep you in my fridge."
Look, you little amoral fucked-up cunt, I would not hesitate to kill you if I thought you were about to harm someone.
I think you're about to harm someone.
*chk-chk*
Perhaps if someone is profoundly stupid and naive, having absolutely no clue what "shooting" someone entails. Or, hell, maybe they just have really bad aim.
God's Own Bible, the King James Version, which every Rapture Retard thinks is the "one true Bible(TM)" says "Thou shall not kill." It's quite specific.
Actually, in Hebrew, it *is* something closer to "thou shalt do no murder" than "thou shalt not kill," although neither is really precise; "thou shalt commit no unlawful homocide" would probably be closest - the verb used doesn't include killing in self-defense, in battle, or as an executioner, but does include manslaughter and even negligent homocide.
As for loving someone and shooting them, it is certainly possible, if the alternative to shooting them is sufficiently bad - if someone you loved had had a psychotic break and was shooting up a mall, for example. Not everything a fundie says is automatically wrong.
@christopher: I do agree that the situation you describe is a valid example of loving someone and having to shoot them nonetheless. On the other hand, somehow, I doubt that's what this particular fundie was going for.
"Darling, I love you!" *BANG*
Historically, the proscription of "thou shalt not kill" applied only to the in-group designated by the Old Testament (i.e. the Jewish people). The killing of outsiders, not so much. So, it's not quite as altruistic as it sounds.
I guess he means murder as opposed to lawful killing, like war or death penalty.
I guess, taking Christianity to its logical conclusion, it would be a good thing for them to shoot their children. That would guarantee that the kiddies, being innocent, would get to go sit on Jesus' lap and never reach the age of accountability, meaning automatic entrance to heaven.
@christopher
Actually, in Hebrew, it *is* something closer to "thou shalt do no murder" than "thou shalt not kill"
I'm afraid this is correct. The normal Hebrew verb for "to kill" in the general sense of ending a life is qtl , whereas the commandment uses r?? * which means something more like "unwarranted killing."
(unicode apparently doesn't work here, so rtzch if you will)
But still, I don't think Jesus was worried about finer points of semantics. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" basically clears up the issue.
"Yes the commandment is (Thou Shalt Do no Murder)"
He's right about that. The actual translation is "murder", not "kill", since you can actually accidentally kill somebody.
on the RR thread there is a lot off waffle about kill/murder, and how the KJV carries a mistranslation.
So much for inerrancy....
Certainly. That's the whole raison d'etre of fundie cultism. Although, in practice, the love bit is seldom necessary or its ideal rarely adhered to, its mention being more of a sop to a societal convention that tends to frown on murder.
Actually, I doubt that fundie cultism is even capable of any Jesusy bits that are based on goodness, if indeed there are any such bits at all. Love, or the delusion of love, which in the fundies' case is actually raving insanity, is reserved for the mindless adoration of invisible, non-existent ghostie type thingies.
There you have it, religion = tribal thuggery and mass delusion.
Yes, but you have to cut them open and f__k them in the gall bladder afterward to prove your love. /Andy Warhol
Seriously. You are approaching that level of surreality with your mental gymnastics.
@ christopher:
"Actually, in Hebrew, it *is* something closer to "thou shalt do no murder" than "thou shalt not kill," although neither is really precise; "thou shalt commit no unlawful homocide" would probably be closest - the verb used doesn't include killing in self-defense, in battle, or as an executioner, but does include manslaughter and even negligent homocide."
1. As previously mentioned, it's "Thou Shalt Not Kill" in the fundie-sacred KJV. Previous interpretations were obviously mistakes that needed correcting by divine hand.
2. The whole thing is a first person to third person lift from a prayer in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, so I guess that's the translation that would count when splitting hairs. I suspect that prayer also translates to, "I have not done murder." Governments frown on having their license to create human killing machines impaired.
Let's see... you can love your enemies and at the same time cause them greivous bodily harm causing immense pain & suffering and resulting in their death, and by your belief send them to a place where they will be tortured for all eternity by burning in a lake of fire?
Must be the same logic that Christians use to dismiss their hypocrisy when they claim that Christianity is all about love and then display hatred for anyone who's not Christian.
The 10 commandments are about the only truly clear thing in the bible, and now they are trying to mess this up? Don't kill! That's it there is nothing about loving or hating your victim! C'mon, it's your own rules! According to you our whole justice system is based on them. Should I expect changes in the law soon?
"Did you know you can Love your enemies and shoot them to"
...the moon? Sure. Just ask Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin et al. [/smartarse]
Now you see how you 'hoemskuled' Raptards are inferior * to we educationally superior Atheists? And not just in terms of English spelling/grammar etc:
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Yet, in all my born days, I've to so much as kill just one person to date; nor do I want to, ever. Ergo, I am more than infinitely superior to God. Q.E. and D., bitches.
PROTIP: The ten killed by Satan were only on God's specific authority. So even he is superior - certainly morally - to God. Great advert for Satanism, Ruptured Retards.
*- Proof? The post immediately after that quoted says:
'one peron'
What has an Argentinian politician got to do with all this?!
One peron... Juan Peron...?
...I'll get my coat. X3
Did you know you can Love your enemies and shoot them to[o]?
Really? I must have missed the memo on that one!
God, you guys are a bunch of tools , just shuffling along doing whatever your leaders tell you to, huh. Damned authoritarian followers.
Pilotess wrote: The 10 commandments are about the only truly clear thing in the bible, and now they are trying to mess this up?
Would those 'truly clear' commandments be the first set or the second? The Catholic ones or the KJV versions? The Lutheran ones? Those in the Samarian Pentateuch?
I think it might be at least possible to believe you love someone and kill them. See the poem Porphyria's Lover by Robert Browning.
That said, that's not something I think I could ever do, nor do I particularly recommend it.
Pilotess wrote: The 10 commandments are about the only truly clear thing in the bible, and now they are trying to mess this up?
Would those 'truly clear' commandments be the first set or the second? The Catholic ones or the KJV versions? The Lutheran ones? Those in the Samarian Pentateuch?
I'm not nit-picking, they all forbid the same things, that's clear enough for me. I doubt KJV allows stealing while the catholics are especially strict on it. I admit I only know the lutheran version, but from talking with people of other denominations I concluded the 10 commendments are the same for everybody. I appologize for being ignorant. (so should you)
of course you should love your targets with all the hot lead in the world!!
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um, unless the bible's got a new translation, i'm fairly sure it's thou shalt not kill in latin, french, and english... would someone else confirm it for other languages, please?
"Did you know you can Love your enemies and shoot them to[sic]?"
Haha! I enjoy how this people(and I use that term in the broadest possible sense) claim that atheists like me have relativistic value systems..and this badge I wear proudly... but they harbor no such ethical dilemmas. Righhhhht.
That whole damnable death cult is all about killing.
First, it's thou shalt not kill. Second, stop making up excuses. Love implies not killing. Don't like it?, you can always be a Pagan Viking.
Unless the one of your life is BEGGING you to kill him/her, in case of such as severe disabilities or such as ongoing cancer that would warrant doctor assisted suicide, otherwise eat shit buddy.
Whatever happened to "Turn the other cheek", "Love thy neibor" and "Do unto others"?
@Kamism: I'm defending the primacy of the language the Ten Commandments were actually written in, and you, along with an appalling number of others, are going "nuh-uh, look what it says right here in my [mistranslated] Bible," privileging the translation over the original, just like the KJV-only crowd that everyone loves to mock. So tell me, just who is the idiot who needs to be bitch-slapped here?
Christopher, you're the one who started flinging insults, so I'd say the one in dire need of a bitch slap here is you. Maybe you'll learn some manners concerning being a guest in someone else's space... but I doubt it.
This is a good insight into the fundie definition of love: it's entirely comprised of saying you love someone. Even if you burn down their house and kill their family, as long as you say you love them, it's okay.
Confused?
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