(On a topic about an atheist pro-choicer. This may not be entirely religion-related but nevertheless...)
Please tell me this is a joke. Tell me this ignorant murder-advocating scumbag isn't walking the streets polluting what little morality still lives on in the world...
How about I kill him eh?? How would he feel if I took poison and injected it into his brain stem, or sucked him through a tube that would crush the life from him, or picked away at his arms and legs until there was nothing left but his head and then crushed that too? The nerve of some people. To sit there and say something they KNOW for a fact is wrong. Atheist or not. As far as I'm concerned he can rot and/or burn in hell with the rest of his atheist assholes.
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I find it fascinating that Livia seems entirely incapable of understanding that person might legitimately disagree with her. "Oh no, everyone *knows* I'm right, but against all logic and plausibility they persist in saying I'm not!" What must that be like?
I don't think Peter Singer's points were based on his atheism, at all. He had some opinions which were a bit strong for some, but this is a free country (It still is, right?).And, his opponent, D'Souza, is a sleazy, ignorant douchebag.
Livia is just having conniptions and suffering from the vapors.
Yes. Because killing a month old fetus that is solely dependent on the mother, has yet to develop a nervous system, and has a moderate chance of being miscarried without much ado (I assume very few would hold funeral proceedings and seriously mourn for the death of few month old fetus) is completely on par with brutally chopping up a living, thinking, feeling adult human with intricate social connections and contributions to society. And burning in hell merely for being an atheist asshole, in comparison to the shining beacon of morals and civility that is yourself, is a perfectly just sentence. How could I have been so blind?
Edit: Oh, this is about Singer? Poor guy is painted to be some kind of insane asylum escapee, advocating baby-killing or whatever. The guy is incredibly rational, and his support of "infanticide" is pretty much limited to showing that there are logical reasons for why it could be permissible. Unfortunately, our obstinate, emotional refusal to accept that idea only does more to illustrate his point.
Has anyone actually looked at the original article? The person that Livia is bitching about is advocating allowing the mother to kill a baby up to 28 days after it is BORN. This is not in regards to abortion, but infanticide.
"My colleague Helga Kuhse and I suggest that a period of twenty-eight days after birth might be allowed before an infant is accepted as having the same right to life as others."
@David G: She is confusing it with the procedures for abortion and making a huge fuss over something that is controversial, but unlikely to ever pass into public popular opinion as a good thing. She is getting wound up over nothing in the usual fundie way. Not to mention her own ignorance and bigotry shows when she labels all atheists as assholes because of what one guy said. I for one am not going to take seriously the opinion of a woman who rants and raves like a drunk at Central Station.
that would be wrong because he would know it was happening to him. i'm pretty sure that not yet developed foetuses have no idea what the hell is going on, plus.. can anyone remember they're own birth? there's probably very few people who can, so the unborn child wouldn't know anything anyway.. you're the one advocated murder here
David G... She's bitching about someone advocating a period of up to 28 days when it would be lawful to terminate a very severely handicapped infant. Currently, it's illegal to do so, which leaves doctors (and parents) in the unenviable position of deciding whether to illegally terminate the life and save pain and suffering or to keep the infant alive as long as possible and force it to undergo a short life in constant pain and suffering.
Frankly, I happen to think that if the infant is going to die anyway, it should be legal to terminate should the parents wish so.
That's where you get it wrong on so many levels.
Allegory for Jesus wrote:
George Carlin, I didn't know you roamed this board!
How many atheist assholes does he have? Because I only have one asshole, and I'm sure it's not sentient enough to believe in God. Most of us believe or disbelieve with our brains, not our poop chutes.
@Allegory for Jesus: while it is true that very few people hold funerals for early miscarried fetuses, it does happen. However, it is very common for the parents of a miscarried child--especially the mothers, but often the fathers as well--to mourn the loss of the child the fetus would have become. I have had several miscarriages, and I did mourn--and do mourn--the loss of those children. They weren't just fetuses; they were my babies, sons or daughters, brothers or sisters to my other children. My love for my children did not start when they were born; I loved them from the moment I suspected they were growing inside me, and looked forward to seeing and holding them and watching them grow. Having those dreams and hopes dashed is tragic and painful. If you hear that someone you know has suffered a miscarriage, offer them sympathy and sincere condolences, because they are probably grieving inside, even if they don't let it show.
That said, I am pro-choice, at least as far as first-trimester abortions go. I am not in favour of infantcide, but a baby with severe congenital defects, to the point of not being able or likely to survive for long, should be made comfortable, as a terminally ill adult would be. Whether or not to use "heroic measures" to prolong the child's life should be up to the parents. In a case where treatment is likely to cause pain and suffering with little or no hope of recovery, it is probably kindest to let nature take its course, but again, that should be up to the parents, in consultation with their doctor.
Not up to foaming-at-the-mouth fundies.
If you don't like abortion, then don't fucking get one. Plain and simple. Also, abortion is not murder, the zygote is not a baby, and most women don't just say, "Oh, I'm pregnant, time for an abortion!"
Atheist or not. As far as I'm concerned he can rot and/or burn in hell with the rest of his atheist assholes. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Mat. 12:36)
How is it any of this bitch's business what other people do with their bundle of cells?
Ya know, you kill more cells washing your face than you using the morning after pill.
I'm pro-choice, and I CHOOSE to never have an abortion, myself. I sobbed for a while when I learned that an IUD (which I had) could be considered an early abortion method. It disturbed me that I might be aborting my possible babies, so I changed birth control.
That's MY choice. Nobody else's. And if somebody else wants to do it, that's their business, not mine.
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