Bro. Randy #fundie

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If you want to do what the Bible says, then you will not drink anything with alcohol in it (including fermented wine).

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old comment by Brian X

NotMe:
That's a common belief among anti-alcohol Christians (most, but not all, of whom are fundies). It's actually complete nonsense as grape juice isn't shelf-stable without some heavy processing, but that doesn't keep the Temperance crowd from trying to come up with ways they <i>might</i> have done it. Most nonbiased Biblical scholarship states that Biblical wine is wine, with alcohol and all. In fact, I believe it's actually a largely North American conceit, as I've heard the few fundies there are in Europe generally have no problem at all with wine or beer. Besides which, the Jews, who created the whole bread-and-wine thing, would find the whole idea ludicrous on its face...

old comment by John

"Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now."
Clearly the wine Jesus made was good wine, not grape juice. The passage refers to the common practice of serving good wine while the party is still fully sober, then switching to a cheaper wine after they've had a few and their judgment is not as good. The passage wouldn't make much sense if grape juice were being served. Also, without refrigeration, grape juice turns to alcoholic wine by itself in a few days. The alcohol is a preservative. No one could have kept non-alcoholic grape juice back in those days; nor would they try. As usual with the Bible, it's not hard to find passages that can be interpreted to support either view with regard to alcohol. Contrary to their claim that they are guided by the Bible, fundies decide what they want to do first, then find Biblical quotes to support it.

old comment by Sandman

Except for the fact that Jesus did it all the time, and according to the Bible, Jesus kept the Law perfectly. Therefore drinking wine is well withing the Law.
Just another example of Bro. Randy making shit up to force the Bible to fit his narrow view. He will likely go on to say that back then, wine was so diluted and weak as to be basically grape juuice. Well, Randy, that's a load of crap. Wine at the time was potent even by today's standards, and while they did, in fact, dilute it (frequently as much as half wine/half water), it would still have had a bit of a kick to it. And to put the final nail in the coffin of your idiocy, even if the wine was so weak as to be effectively harmless...it was still fermented, and therefore still qualifies as "alcoholic."

old comment by Brian X

Martin:

Weirdly enough, in the 19th century a lot of Temperance types had a serious hangup about yeast breads because of the alcohol generated in the rising process. I'm pretty sure that's where most of the modern quick breads (with the possible exception of Irish soda bread) came from, not to mention a whole host of less successful breads (trying to leaven anything heavier than a sponge cake with steam alone tends to be doomed to failure).

The food fads of the late 19th century were heavily driven by religious fundamentalism, and most of them were even battier than some of the stuff people come up with now (though blood type diets and autism/ADHD diet woo certainly compete in the same league).

Bro. Randy #fundie teens-4-christ.org

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