I haven't heard of this. And, if anyone "calls" himself a Christian, yet spreads the Gospel with force, threatening violence or death if others do not convert--they are not Christians. They are sent by Satan to make people think that Christians are evil and that God is a god of hate, killing those who do not accept Him.
That just is not true. If it were, He would just kill all of those who do not accept Him, right away. He would not need us to do it for Him.
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@xander07
Was christianity ever spread peacefully? EVER?
Of course it was. That doesn't make the history books, though, because peace in general doesn't make the history books.
Missionaries, with varying degree of success, have been spreading Christianity for decades (centuries?). It's dangerous work, though, and more than a few have been killed for their efforts.
Now, that doesn't excuse the stupidity of the original statement at all.
Except that your bible says otherwise. Check it out sometime, fuckwit, there's some really amazing shit in there about god, really!
"Of course it was. That doesn't make the history books, though, because peace in general doesn't make the history books.
Missionaries, with varying degree of success, have been spreading Christianity for decades (centuries?). It's dangerous work, though, and more than a few have been killed for their efforts.
Now, that doesn't excuse the stupidity of the original statement at all."
Actually, early missionaries in the Americas, for instance, did conduct Inquisitions, did burn natives to death, and, far worse, spread smallpox and other deadly diseases, for which the native Americans had no natural defences. Up to ninety percent of American Native peoples died in plagues that nearly depopulated North America before the settlers started slaughtering whoever was left.
"Actually, early missionaries in the Americas, for instance, did conduct Inquisitions, did burn natives to death, and, far worse, spread smallpox and other deadly diseases, for which the native Americans had no natural defences. Up to ninety percent of American Native peoples died in plagues that nearly depopulated North America before the settlers started slaughtering whoever was left."
Don't blame on the missionaries what was the Conquistadores' work. The precolumbian civilisations of South America were distroyed by small amounts of Spanish troops that were looking for conquest. Sure, they carried some priests with them that cheerfully had killed any that did not convert, but the main thrust was conquest for the Spanish crown (i.e. not for the Roman church).
And while it was smallpox that won the day, you can't really blame then for it, since no-one knew at the time what it was, how it transmitted, or that the locals wouldn't have a proper inmune system.
Hope that helps,
Grey Wolf
So it's OK to force people to convert through violence and death-threats? There's one problem with this, you can't actually force someone to believe . You can force them to act like they believe, you can force them to comply with behaviors consistant with belief, but you can't actually make them believe.
This is pure selfishness on the part of the Christian evangelist. An evangelist who acts in this way is not actually interested in "saving" people, they are only interested in salving their own conscience by forcing the apprearence of "salvation." They are racking up a "score" of the "saved" that they can boast about.
I think if you do believe in God and Satan this isn't too unreasonable.
The first, third, fourth and fifth sentances are dead true. If God existed and he did want those who don't believe in him dead - we'd all have heart attacks or something.
In addition, the Biblical account of Jesus' teachings is extremely peaceful (Show love for all, Jew or Gentile - or similar). Furthermore, Satan is often depicted is deluding and tricking people and he's not against violence.
Why is it, then, to say that people who are deluded into thinking that they should kill people for not being Christians, so unreasonable to argue that Satan is deluding them?
Folks, this person sounds like he's not too crazy only because he's not advocating violence himself (for a change, here!), but he IS still deep in denial and delusion.
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"And, if anyone "calls" himself a Christian, yet spreads the Gospel with force, threatening violence or death if others do not convert--they are not Christians."
They may not be what Christians are supposed to be, but that doesn't mean they are not Christians. Torquemada was a Christian. Vlad the Impaler was a Christian. Hitler was a Christian. You don't have to like it, but you DO have do deal with it.
"They are sent by Satan to make people think that Christians are evil and that God is a god of hate, killing those who do not accept Him."
First, prove that Satan exists. Second, considering the contents of the Old Testament, prove that this alleged God is NOT a "god of hate"; I'd say the scriptures pretty well support that interpretation even without Satan's alleged assistance in that area.
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Yeah, I'd call that fundie.
~David D.G.
He would just kill all of those who do not accept Him, right away. He would not need us to do it for Him
I wonder why this never seems to occur to fundies who want to kill all gays, non-Christians, etc.?
That just is not true. If it were, He would just kill all of those who do not accept Him, right away. He would not need us to do it for Him.
From the Wikipedia:
The Albigensian Crusade was directed against Christian heretics in southern France. It was a bitter conflict that had the characteristics partly of a civil war, partly of a persecution, and partly of an invasion.
A large crusading army assembled July 1209. Its first target was Bèziers.
Mass slaughter at Bèziers ends only when the fire drives the crusaders out. When the crusaders asked Arnold-Aimery whom to kill, he said "Kill them all. God will know his own."
"I haven't heard of this."
Similarly the 9th Commandment. Therefore you're going to Hell, christians93.
"And, if anyone "calls" himself a Christian, yet spreads the Gospel with force, threatening violence or death if others do not convert--they are not Christians. They are sent by Satan to make people think that Christians are evil and that God is a god of hate, killing those who do not accept Him."
Oh, au contraire:
"That just is not true. If it were, He would just kill all of those who do not accept Him, right away. He would not need us to do it for Him."
If the Truth hurts...:
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...then you're being tortured by the Cenobites (in the "Hellraiser" films) using all manner of hideous ways, inflicting more than infinite pain upon you
Great advert for Satanism, pal. Even if he existed, your own 'Word of God' makes Satan the good guy in all of this.
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