Darkon007 #fundie

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[The bible also says that bats are birds, rabbits chew cud, and the earth is 6,000 years old and FLAT.]

So bats were considered to be birds in those days. And can you prove that the Bible says the earth is flat? One book of the Bible says that Gods sits on top of the circle of the earth.

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old comment by breakerslion

I notice you avoided the whole rabbit and cud thing.

The Egyptians and their imitators thought the earth was flat. The mathematical gymnastics they employed to calculate the solar eclipses proves it. The Ten Commandments are plagiarized from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. There is only one creature on earth who writes. Guess who wrote the Bible?

The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old btw. That was some pious idiot's calculation (Archbishop of Dingleberry?) based on the "begats" and using Adam as a starting point. Lots of fun when the book also claims men lived to be 1,000, 800, and 600 years old, and gives no clue how long many of the players allegedly lived. Makes good emergency toilet paper though, and absolutely free thanks to the Gideons!

old comment by Zoo

Given the number of words I've seen that are apparently mistranslated, including here, I'd love to see a really accurate translation of the bits that make up the bible.

I would also be willing to bet people knew the difference between bats, with their fur and teeth, and birds, with feathers and no teeth, back then. . . although that wouldn't necessarily stop them from classifying them as similar. Other groups classify animals in ways that make little sense on the surface to people familiar with the biological taxonomy, because it's tied into their culture and/or they choose features we wouldn't to group things. Even so that first statement is silly, because I doubt that's what Darkon007 is referring to.

old comment by John

The King James translators admitted to difficulties in translating the names of animals - "Again, there be many rare names of certain birds, beasts, and precious stones, etc., concerning which the Hebrews themselves are so divided among themselves for judgment, that they may seem to have defined this or that, rather because they would say something, than because they were sure of that which they said, as S.Hierome [St. Jerome] somewhere saith of the Septuagint."

So one may suggest that in Lev. 11:19 "atalleph" didn't literally mean a bat, but some other bird . But the word apparently refers to something that both flies and occupies the night, as implied by Isaiah 2:20-21: "And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made [each one] for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats [atalleph]". Replacing "bats" with some bird in this passage would be a stretch.

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Tracer wrote:

Just to clarify: The Bible does NOT say that bats are birds. The Hebrew word translated as "birds" in Leveiticus 11:13 is "`owph", which means ANY kind of flying creature -- bird, bat, flying insect, pterosaur, you name it.

I'm curious how that would make any any sort of sense at all in the context it's used. It's a list of creatures Jews can't eat:

11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls ; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, (11:13, 19)
11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
11:15 Every raven after his kind;
11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

If the word translated as 'bat' means 'any sort of flying creature' that would mean nothing that flies is kosher. So why list the others specifically?

“And can you prove that the Bible says the earth is flat?”
Couple places it says that there’s a place you can stand that’s high enough to see the entire world.
The sky is solid and rests on the earth. Not possible on a sphere.
The sun gets the night off. Not possible on a sphere.
God’s creation of the Earth is described as spreading it over the Waters Below, like a set of mud pies.
God will take Earth up by the edges and shake it like a rug, shaking the Evil People off.
God walks around On Top of the Solid Sky. If Earth is a sphere, which direction is ‘above.’?
The Earthh rests on foundations and does not move.

So bats were considered to be flat in those days. And can you prove that the Bible says the Earth is birds? One book of the Bible says that God sits on the circle of the top of Earth.

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