"Subjective" means it depends on the individual person, and so is different for different people. In contrast, "Objective" means independent of the individual person, and so it's the same for all people. When a person comes up with opinions of how things "should be" there is no reason for it to be morally binding on others. After all, other people can come up with different systems. It's subjective. If God were merely a very powerful individual as you've suggested, the situation wouldn't change much. But God is actually the Creator of all that is. He is sovereign. And He is the Judge. All people will answer ultimately to God, and hence His rules are necessarily objective. They are the same for everyone, and binding on everyone because we all owe our existence to God and will answer to Him. Clear?
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First of all, you must prove that God, as you defined Him, exists.their own "objective" moral standards, do not exist.are objective" is a good thing. "These moral standards are objective because God says they're objective" is a classic example of "might makes right" and is therefore not a good thing.
When a person comes up with opinions of how things "should be" there is no reason for it to be morally binding on others.
This ought to be tattooed on every fundie's face in reverse so they can read it in the mirror every morning. We'll start with Jason Lisle.
If we all answer to God what the Hell do we need with you self-appointed middle-men?
You and all your "witnessing" breed can fuck right off. You're entire ministreal concept is a profit con. I don't care if you're an internet preacher or pastor of an established church, your followers will be the worst type we see in society as they think they have to answer only to God and thereby do what they want to people and go "sorry God" and be free of the crime and guilt. Con.
Evidence, please, that your particular god is the creator of everything, that it's not one of the other thousands of gods that man has invented.
So, have you sold all your possessions and given the money to the poor yet? Have you left your family and followed Jesus yet? Why not? It's the objective thing to do, after all...
You said, "subjective" means it depends on the individual person, and so is different for different people. In contrast, "Objective" means independent of the individual person . So if God's rules are necessarily objective, then there can be no such thing as an individual person or thing apart from or outside of God, because once there is, there are two or more positions independent of each other. It is not sufficient for him to be the Creator of all that is, he must be all that is for your statement about God's inherent objectivity to be true. But you're not making that claim, are you?
Objective facts , such as 2+2=4 , that even a Kindergartener (who had two toys, and given two more, then asked to count such) would laugh at you if you dared dispute this =/= 'Opinion'.
Your 'God (who) is actually the Creator of all that is. He is sovereign' 'created' Insects with four legs:
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2+2=6 indeed. Doubleplusgoodthink, Jase LIEsle. O'Brien & the Inner Party would be proud. See you at the next Two Minutes Hate. All Love to Big Brother! [/"1984"]
"But God is actually the Creator of all that is. He is sovereign. And He is the Judge. All people will answer ultimately to God, and hence His rules are necessarily objective"
Even if the first is true that doesn't make any of the rest anything more than an assertion on your part. There's no logical chain here.
"Subjective" means it depends on the individual
Yep...
All people will answer ultimately to God, and hence His rules are necessarily objective.
His rules never change, right? They CANNOT change, right? If they can, if it is HIS rules and he can change them... then they are subjective.
They are the same for everyone
And that's why you don't wear blended fabric, why you never cut your hair or trim your beard, why you never EVER eat pork... right? 'Cos those objective rules can never change... that's what makes them objective.
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Have they changed, or are you deliberately breaking them? And why do I think you'll claim they no longer apply?
No. Not clear. The Gobs of the Bu¥Bull is a genocidal asshat. More moral are the Helix Fossil and Goomy and O-Haruhi-sama, who oppose so many of the immoral things Gobs condones. Morality CAN be important outside of the Gobs of the Bu¥Bull! How LONG will we have to take before your microscopic brain takes note of this SIMPLE FACT?!
Confused?
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