your post does not display understanding of what terrorists are versus what activists are.
abortion clinics are attacked because children are murdered there and the law temporarily allows it. The motivation is to stop murder.
terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear.
If you were informed and were actually educated to the level what is commonly accepted of "esquire" then you would have known the difference.
the attack upon abortion clinics seeks to stop the brutal murder of innocents.
If enforcing a belief that opposes cold blooded murder is to you a form of "terrorism" in that murderers are afraid their actions will be punished? Then youre a perfect candidate for the Taliban since your mindset fits in so well with their cause;
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The difference is basically this:
Terrorists are activists who intimidate by breaking shit that isn't theirs to break.
It's definitely overly broad (includes everything from a serial monkeywrencher to the 9/11 perps), but it's a good first approximation. In a sense, the Sons of Liberty were terrorists, though they were more concerned with terrorizing the colonial governments than harassing citizens. But by that token you also can't call someone a terrorist for advocating a dissenting opinion, any more than you can legitimately claim oppression when someone is stopping you from harrassing others with religious doctrine. (There's a reason even some democratic countries have anti-proselytization laws -- it's not just about religious protectionism.)
As for "abortion=murder", I agree that it's quite unpleasant, but personally I've always advocated a two-trimester rule based on matters of viability and consciousness.
the attack upon abortion clinics seeks to stop the brutal murder of innocents.
By murdering innocents. Nice work.
terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear
Incorrect. Terrorism seeks to use violence and fear not as an end unto itself, but as a means to an end... sounds a lot like someone using violence and fear to get people to stop destroying a bunch of cells inside their body (I didn't use the word "kill" because you cannot kill something that is not alive).
Is it "murder" when you clean your fish tank and toss out or otherwise get rid of the algae that accumulates? Or how about throwing out moldy cheese or bread? They are more alive than your so called "murdered innocents".
'abortion clinics are attacked because children are murdered there and the law temporarily allows it.'
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of abortion, this is terrorism. A strange logic too - to stop murder by committing murder! Lunacy.
'terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear.'
Agreed - but see my previous comment above.
'the attack upon abortion clinics seeks to stop the brutal murder of innocents.
See my first comment. Don't you have ANY logic?
'"...Then youre a perfect candidate for the Taliban since your mindset fits in so well with their cause;"'
I think your mindset is more in line with that of the Taliban. Murder to stop murder is murder for all that! I don't make a false distinction as you do. It is a moral foundation stone that the end never justifies the means.
Terrorism is any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."
That is the UN's position. Is that sufficient to be worthy of an educated person such as yourself, Bradley?
The worst three terrorist attacks ever were the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the allied bombing raids in WW2 in general.
Spetember 11- 3000ish dead.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo firestorm, Yokohama, Kobe- 330000- 500000+ 100000 airmen (Wikipedia)
Allied bombing (Europe)- 330000- 600000
Who's worse, I forgot?
Indeed many more Iraqi citizens (and Afgani citizens) have been killed by Americans in the War on Terror than anyone else. All the Americans need to do to win the 'War on Terror' is pack up and go home.
At the moment, the worst recognised terrorist organisation is the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka- so the US invaded the defenceless Iraq just to show them how well could use a map.
However murder to stop murder is simply a matter of mathematics. If I kill this tin pot dictator, if it will save more than one person it is not murder (not legally of course- the law doesn't care, which his guy doesn't seem to grasp- but morally, certainly). Less than one person (not cell) it is.
"Killing innocents to stop something is terrorism, but MY killing innocents to stop something isn't." Yeah, real smart there Bradley. Might want to stop and rethink that.
Methinks you do not know the meaning of the word "esquire" either. Might want to crack open a dictionary or something. I'm sure if you were intelligent enough to actually have the title esquire apply to you, you'd realize the idiocy of your post.
Wrong BradleyTS, you are the "perfect candidate for the Taliban" since (1) they oppose abortion, (2) they accept no one else's opinion, (3) they believe their religion is the only one and they must force it on you, (4) they believe in murdering their opponents and those that disagree with them, to achieve their ends, (5) they are self-righteous, hypocritical assholes who try to project their violence and intolerance on others.
terrorism seeks to murder and cause fear.
Like blowing up abortion clinics to kill the doctors (and, God forbid, any patients therein), therefore causing fear to the families and any unfortunate women who feel that they must come to that choice?
...By your own definition, BradleyTS, you are a terrorist. And an evil, evil person.
A "terrorist" is someone who uses violence or the threat of violence in an attempt to generate sufficient fear, or "terror" in a target population, group, or government to force that target population, group, or government to comply with the wishes and demands of the terrorist.
Abortion clinic bombers are doing precisely that. There is no difference between a member of the KKK, a member of al Qaeda, and an abortion clinic bomber.
He's pigheaded, the other guy's stubborn and I'm resolute.
I made my living with words for 50 years, Bradley. Wanna play?
Then youre a perfect candidate for the Taliban since your mindset fits in so well with their cause
Mirror, mirror, on the wall...
"abortion clinics are attacked because children are murdered there and the law temporarily allows it. The motivation is to stop murder."
if the law allows it, even temporarily, it is by definition not "murder"
but hey, at least you got your failure over with the second sentence =)
Then youre a perfect candidate for the Taliban since your mindset fits in so well with their cause;"
That's a big chunk of iron right there, Bradley. Mind if I beat some sense into your skull with it?
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