It's funny-the atheists insist on utilizing their rights to have no religion, and their rights of freedom of speech and freedom of expression to convey their message, but they miss in the Constitution that we have been endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable rights-where do they think our rights and freedoms originate? If not God, then nthey are not rights, but priviledges GRANTED by the state, which can then be taken away at will by those granting them.
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"...but they miss in the Constitution that we have been endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable rights... "
Uh, yeah. That would be the Declaration of Independence, genius.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "
The Founding Fathers in their "Declaration of Independence" from Great Britian wrote about rights endowed by our Creator. The paragraph above that mentions Nature's God, not the Christian God, not the Hebrew God, etc.
You all think your so patriotic, but you don't even know one famous American document from another.
I failed history class and even I know that was the Declaration and not the Constitution. Epic fail.
Also, Patriot act? Which was Bush's idea, I hasten to add.
So what rights have you had endowed by your creator? The right to grovel at God's feet and kiss his arse or he'll send you to eternal torture. The right to be stupid, gullible and a God zombie. The right to be a bigoted and spiteful little simpleton. etc.
Well you can keep those rights, normals don't want them. Religion. what a heap of bollocks. Just like God and Jesus.
"It's funny-the atheists insist on utilizing their rights to have no religion, and their rights of freedom of speech and freedom of expression to convey their message,"
So far, it's not funny.
It's funny that you assume the "CREATOR" to be a god, specifically, your God. We could simply be created by the laws of physics and biology, and, as we are (many of us anyway) self-aware, reasoning beings, we possess, are created with, these unalienable rights.
Huh? Indeed.
"...we have been endowed by our CREATOR..."
The Declaration of Independence (I'm not a USAian and yet even I know the difference!) was written by *men* - not god, unless you have evidence to the contrary - for a particular audience and a particular time. So they used words like "creator", big deal, they didn't know any better and in circumstances like those people resort to metaphor and rhetoric. I wonder - you being quite the constitutional scholar - if it's escaped your attention that *nowhere* do they use the word "Jesus"?
On a (semi)related note, you do of course realise that the so-called Pilgrims were *not* escaping religious persecution or intolerance but left Europe so they could *practice* persecution and intolerance. They were thrown out of Holland, which even then was the most tolerant and easy-going of European nations, because of their intransigence. I see that their traditions have been handed down solidly intact.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Apart from black folks, oh, and women, oh and anyone who isn't 'us'.
Wanna see a state take away your "God Given" rights? MOVE TO FUCKING CHINA.
Rights don't exist, it's made up bullshit that allows the powerful fuck you in the ass while distracting you from what's really important: that you can have all the rights in the world but you still have no guaranteed food on your table nor you have guaranteed health care should something happen to you.
But hey, at least this somehow enforces the survivlal of the fittest: the morons who don't see this problem don't live long, those who do either move from the US or fix the problems with a little prevention.
Where does the constitution mention a creator?
Who is depriving you of rights under that same constitution?
In a democracy the State can act only in accord with the constitution.
How long did it take you to become such an ignorant gobshite?
Please, READ THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS IN THEIR ENTIRETY, followed by the TREATY OF TRIPOLI, as many times as you need to in order to understand that AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A CHRISTFAG NATION.
That is all.
Actually, I think the fundy is more right than he realizes. As George Carlin explains here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaa9iw85tW8
that's exactly what your "rights" are - privileges granted by the state. The fact that they can be taken from you with such ease prove that there is nothing divine about them.
So many things wrong with this.
Number 1: That statement is in the declaration of independence not the constitution.
Number 2: It never states which creator
Number 3: Your argument makes no sense.
You are wrong, but even if you were right, the god of the christian bible shows himself to be capricious, arbitrary and inconsistent. Don't tell me that's better than the government of the day.
That phrase was in the Declaration of Independence. A document written by a group of English citizens. After they ceased to be English citizens, they formed a country, under a document called the Articles of Confederation. This country was later replaced by another country, formed under the Constitution of the United States.
So, the document you quote has nothing to do with the current United States of America. It has no place for consideration in the laws of the United States. So you can stuff it.
@lillith: I wouldn't have known the difference, I'm Australian. But I do now, yay internet!
Maybe they don't teach the Constitution in schools, but in this day and age of internet and streamlined search engines it's almost inexcusable to post some "knowledge" of anything without cross checking for such obvious errors.
Point is that if you're on the internet, with the collective conscious of the world to help, there's no excuse for being this ignorant.
1. Quote the passages that discuss the tenets of democracy, including, but not limited to, due process of law, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to peaceful assembly. Include book, chapter and verse in your citations.
2. Explain away the large number of verses which stand in direct contrast to democratic values.
I was created by evolution. It has endowed me with an unmistakable genetic signature which marks me as a member of Homo sapiens sapiens, which (according to the writers of the DOI) is the only qualification I need to enjoy a number of rights afforded by their community.
I do not need to be a certain race, or sex, or religion. I do not need to attain a certain level of education, or earn above a certain amount. I do not need to vote a certain way nor, even, have been born in a certain country.
The only people pushing for "qualified" rights are those who want to deny them to anyone who doesn't look, think or worship like they themselves do.
(Hint: apart from the very rare exception, it ain't the atheists.)
Hey dumbass, you are quoting the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
As for the rest, bullshit, you are spinning Deist terminology to fit your fundie mentality.
Not only is the Constitution and Declaration of Independence the closest thing these people will get to actual porn, but they also jerk off at them.
If USA had any balls, it would have rewritten both to reflect the 21st century and not the 18th century when it was made. A lot has changed since the day of horse and buggy and pen and paper. Any country without a living constitution is dead.
You see I'm English and even I know more about the American Constitution than you. (And I believe it was based on the British (English) Bill of rights.)
It seems to me that under the first amendment religion is not a qualification for office or indeed a necessity to be 'American'. I could be wrong. Hey maybe we are to nations separated by a common language.
Still with dicks like you, I'm quite happy we lost that war. Keep as many idiots as possible west of the Atlantic. ;-)
1. Declaration of Independence, dumb shit. If you don't know which document a saying comes from, DON'T FUCKING QUOTE IT.
2. From the Bill of Rights--which includes our freedom to follow whatever religion we want, or even to do without religion entirely if we so desire.
3. The whims of the powerful are kept at bay by the Constitution. That's why it exists.
@Whiteylad: It seems to me that under the first amendment religion is not a qualification for office or indeed a necessity to be 'American'. I could be wrong. Hey maybe we are to nations separated by a common language.
Actually, it's Article VI that prevents religious qualifications for office. The First Amendment merely allows freedom of worship without state interference.
'I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature'
'Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear'
-Thomas Jefferson
'Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect'
'In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people'
-James Madison
'The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion'
-George Washington
Read it & weep, fundy cuntbag.
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