Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed? A long preliminary period is not supported by archaeology. Before cities on earth, there was nothing. There was no transition whatsoever between the ancient civilizations and any primitive forebearers. They were at their peak from the beginning. :
...Great cities, enormous temples, pyramids of overwhelming size. Colossal statues with tremendous expressive power. Luxurious tunnels and tombs. Splendid streets flanked by magnificent sculpture, perfect drainage systems. A decimal system at the very start. A ready-made writing, already perfected. A well established naming system (in which each Pharaoh had as many as five names). Society already divided into specialist classes. An army, civil service and hierarchy minutely organized. A court exhibiting all the indications of well-defined precedence and form. Egypt came from a clearly established civilization.
The only conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence is that,1 Each of the first civilizations appeared suddenly, already fully developed. 2) That a connection existed between them. 3) Their footprints led back to the Middle East mountains where Noah and his family left the Ark.
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"Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY"
Including ours? You saying the medieval period, industrial revolution etc. etc. never happened in Europe? That the US always existed in it's curent form?
That's a new one on me.
Naqada culture, anyone? Mastaba tombs? Gerzean glyphs? Narmer Palette?
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"A decimal system at the very start."
False! While the ancient Egyptians did have a unit fraction system, using the eye of Horus (and further enhancing that system in the Middle Egypt era, already disputing the claim of an immediate decimal system), decimals were not familiar to them, as their language did not include the decimal expansions of these fractions. Number system? Yes. Rational number system? Clunky, but yes. Decimal system? No.
Everything else smells of BS, too, but math's my forte.
A well established naming system (in which each Pharaoh had as many as five names).
Government name, street name, a nick, coupla aliases, plus some titles, damn, Pharoah been bangin'.
Egypt came from a clearly established civilization.
First the civilization, the tombs, tunnels, pyramids and stuff - then they turned it all into Egypt, when they were damned well ready.
No worries. Just a fundamentalist's biblical viewpoint. Enormously retarded but enjoyable if you have a sense of humour that enjoys mockery of idiocy, I do, or if you have a psychological disposition that allows utter faith in total bollocks, I don't. Luckily, for the sake of humanity, those with such a disposition are in the minority.
Chris Parker is free to believe what he wants but he's still a complete moron. Has no connection with reality and needs urgent medical attention.
"Before cities on earth, there was nothing."
"Their footprints led back to the Middle East mountains where Noah and his family left the Ark."
What?
Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed?
No.
No, I wasn't aware of that. Chiefly, I think, because it's complete rubbish.
Oh wait, you've typed it ALL IN CAPITALS. That's different, I guess I have to admit I was wrong then.
At a guess, I'd say basic mud and straw huts don't tend to last as long as massive stone structures.
Also, the idea that people will just build on old sites when the building is no longer useful is crazy talk.
After countless millenia of humans being hunters/gatherers, they did stop and build rude villages that grew into cities over more countless millenia.
As for advances, just look at human history for the past 2000 yrs or so. People went from thinking illnesses were caused by 'demons', and know now they are caused by virii and bacteria.
This Rock Art associated with Nez Perce and pre-Nez Perce tribes consists of hundreds of images in dense clusters dating from 4500 years ago. The tribes that carved these were nomadic. Sorry, no colossal statues, or enormous temples and pyramids or anything else associated with any ancient cities. But they did have culture. Sorry Chris, but you fail.
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So let me get this straight. Eight people hopped right off the ark and started immediately building huge full-fledged civilizations. What did they build them with? Psychogod had just destroyed the whole earth, remember? And what did these eight people and those few pairs of animals eat?
Didn't think this one through, didja?
"A ready-made writing, already perfected"
And yet the Inca, with their great pyramids and mountain cities, had not writing system at all. they only possessed a system of coloured ropes that we are still unable to translate.
"A ready-made writing, already perfected?"
What does that mean? If you mean a language, which one of the 1000's do you mean?
Please don't say English :)
Egypt had many "advanced" things long before 2348 BC when Noah's Flood is said to have occurred according to Bishop Ussher. So did China.
And what about all the stone age tools that have been found all over the world?
Well,the cave paintings that you can find in europe (for example france) don´t point to a highly developed civilization, same goes for the multitude of other archaelogical findings from this time in history ;)
Also egyptian chronicles neither mention a global flood nor some jewish slaves causing plagues on egypt because pharaoh wont set them free (and we also have no indication about a whole army of chariots getting annihilated because they dared to pursue said slaves).
And we also know about the predynastic periods of egypt, more than 5000 years ago, when there weren´t large stone buildings yet, but just small farming communities who knew about animal husbandry and pottery ;)
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Clearly the world is one big game of Civ. The last Civ to try to win a military victory was Germany about sixty or so turns ago, since then the American and Russian civilizations had been trying to use their vassal states, until the vassals gained more land and declared independence.
For a few turns we've been at war with the Arabian civilization, but since they have the world's largest deposits of oil it's been sort of hard to do anything against them.
Why, why does everyone with a batshit insane theory use my field to justify it? "Soft science" doesn't mean "oh, yes, please, we'll take any crap and like it!"
I can't even tell you how stupid this is, as well as how bigoted. The only way you could even think up a theory like this is by completely ignoring whole continents of people who lacked writing systems, formalized civil services, and large public works. Never mind that my class learned about ancient Egyptians' failed early pyramids in the freakin' fourth grade!
Are you aware that "YOU ARE ENTIRELY FULL OF SHIT"?
Seriously, as anonymous said, learn to history.
Bullshit. Archaeology shows that all cultures did not begin suddenly. In every case there was a gradual transition from a nomadic hunter-gatherer society, to settled farming communities, to larger towns and eventually the first cities and highly complex societies that we describe, loosely, as 'civilised'. In every case the process took centuries if not millennia. You are full of shit.
"civilization." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2009.
Merriam-Webster Online. 30 March 2009
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilization >
civilization
One entry found.
Main Entry:
civ·i·li·za·tion \?si-v?-l?-'za-sh?n\
Function:
noun
Date:
1772
1 a: a relatively high level of cultural and technological development ; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained b: the culture characteristic of a particular time or place
2: the process of becoming civilized
3a: refinement of thought, manners, or taste b: a situation of urban comfort
of course there are no records from before civilization, a civilization is defined by the beginning of is where they attained the ability to keep track of themselves
also tyrants tended to destroy or rewrite any history before themselves in an effort to boost their own magnificence
The other milestones of human development: control of fire, use of tools, settled agriculture, the wheel, the sail, all appeared simultaneously with your ancient city, which, of course told visitors, "Welcome to Fabulous Ur, Mesopatomia!"
Yes I found footprints the Mayans took from the Middle East all the way across Asia, across to North America, and then down to the Yucatan Penn.
Question: Are you out of your gord?
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
NOMADS MOVE BETWEEN WATER SUPPLIES AND FOLLOW HERDS AND GATHER UP FOOD. IT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY BUILD SMALL DWELLINGS FOR A WHILE, THEN THEY TAKE THEM DOWN AND MOVE. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS
ANTHROPOLOGY AND HISTORY, LEARN YOU SOME, FUCKING STUPID FUNDIE TRASH.
So, wait...these civilizations came into being all around the same time, after the flood, descending from Noah's family alone, all of which happened ~4000 years ago? Yeah, I don't think it's feasible for geographic regions to be populated and the civilizations described to develop from a single family in that short amount of time. I am fairly certain that the oldest civilizations that we've found archaelogical evidence for existed well before when the flood was supposed to take place, for example. The archaelogical evidence simply doesn't fit into that ridiculous timeline unless you really wish to force it in there.
Okay, I don't get it. Fundies say Earth is around 6000 years ago. They say that the flood happened around 4500 years ago. And yet we have evidence that the Sumerians were building their Ziggurats (temples) around 5000 years ago. Wouldn't the Ziggurats have all been washed away in the flood, if it really happened?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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