[Why "True Atheists" don't exist:]
Logically, my argument is that any alleged atheist that considers God possible, isn't truly an atheist. Considering possibility or not is the title of this thread is it not? Any alleged atheist that asks themselves whether or not God exists is being hypocritical. "The definition of a true atheist considering God is self-defeating. Before you can consider any gods' existence you have to have had granted the possibility that there was a god. If you grant the possibly of God and now deny it, that doesn't change the fact that you personally considered him a possibly."
Once a person gives something possibility to exist, it exists, that person gives whatever that something is meaning, definition, and recognition. The only possible way to be atheist, or as the person I originally responded to; "True atheist" is to not be introduced to the concept of God.
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Do elves exist? Whoops, they do now.
Introducing Super Descarte.
Atheism is defined as a personal denial of the existence of gods.
I personally define gods, etc., as mythical anthropromorphizations[?] of natural forces or human impulses. I understand the concept, all right...enough to reject the god of Abraham completely.
The Christ concept is detachable from theism, being a philosophical system in its own right. I claim solidarity with Thomas Jefferson -- an atheist Christian.
"Once a person gives something possibility to exist, it exists ..."
This comes as great news. My sex life is going improve dramatically.
The fact that at some point in my life I considered god as a possiblity, doesn't mean I believe he exists now. An atheist is one who lacks the belief in God, not one who never considered its existence.
"Once a person gives something possibility to exist, it exists..."
Pardon me while I go for a spin in my brand new flying car.
Once a person gives something possibility to exist, it exists, that person gives whatever that something is meaning, definition, and recognition.
Okay, I grant the possibility that I have a million dollars invested in the oil industry. *looks around* C'mon...any second now....
Seriously, this reads like some even-more-bullshit version of "The Secret."
Let's see. Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, the monsters under your bed. Do you get the point now, or should I continue?
Dammit Flipper, I used to be a true Anti-Annorcopracranialist till you clued me in.
You win. Shithead he is...
Hold on, in order to state that "true" atheists don't exist, don't you first have to establish that the notion or idea of an atheists actually exists....thus considering the possibility of an atheist, thus giving us existence?
Pwn'd by your own retarded logic.
This is not logic. Please look up the meaning of the word.My asking myself if there was a god or not was vital to becoming an atheist. One cannot come to a reasonable and honest conclusion from only one side of the story. I remember someone being taken aback in high school. They asked if I’d ever thought of whether or not I was gay. Of course I’d thought of it. I assumed everyone had that moment where they figured out if they enjoyed certain things, foods, activities etc. I mean, one must decide before they go bungee jumping, whether or not they believe it is a good idea based on ones own knowledge of the subject. So yeah, it dawned on me what gay sex would be like and I didn’t find it interesting. I liked girls and that’s the way I’ve been. But to say that the thought has never crossed ones mind is bullshit. People think of a lot of stuff, that doesn’t mean they were actually considering or going to attempt them.So, by your own fucked up “logic”, you must’ve decided at some point that Islam, Judaism, FSM, Egyptian, etc, were NOT the right religion, but since you considered them you must be a polytheist. That doesn’t make sense, does it? When I was young I was scared of getting on my bicycle at first. I also believed in the Easter bunny. Now, since my views have changed, you must think they are the exact same.
"Logically, my argument is that any alleged atheist that considers God possible, isn't truly an atheist. "
Right. He's an agnostic.
That would work with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, too.
"Once a person gives something possibility to exist, it exists, that person gives whatever that something is meaning, definition, and recognition."
So because science once considered the "ether theory" of space, it exists, and there are no true disbelievers in the ether theory since it was something we considered at one point.
"The only possible way to be atheist, or as the person I originally responded to; "True atheist" is to not be introduced to the concept of God."
Sounds good to me.
FSM (all power to His Noodly Appendage, RAmen).
IPU.
Fluffy, the Cosmic Kitten (Aw, she's just da cutest liddle kitty-witty...).
So, by your reasoning, there are no homeless people, since they have all considered what it would like to not live on the street.
It's not as well-stated as some of the other posts here, but it makes as much sense as your claim.
Logically, my argument is that any alleged monotheist that considers the gods possible, isn't truly a monotheist. Considering possibility or not is the title of this thread is it not? Any alleged monotheist that asks themselves whether or not the gods exist is being hypocritical. "The definition of a true monotheist considering the gods is self-defeating. Before you can consider any gods' existence you have to have had granted the possibility that there were gods. If you grant the possibly of multiple gods and now deny it, that doesn't change the fact that you personally considered them a possibly."
Once a person gives something possibility to exist, it exists, that person gives whatever that something is meaning, definition, and recognition. The only possible way to be monotheist, or as the person I originally responded to; "True monotheist" is to not be introduced to the concept of the gods."
Knowing a concept, believing that a thing represented by a concept can exist and believing that a thing represented by a concept does exist are very different, if not mutually exclusive, things
Mr Smith: I put sugar on my porridge. :(
An atheist is simply someone who is not a theist. That is, a person who is not a person who believes in a deity.
You might want to find a dictionary and look up the difference between Agnostic and Atheist.
"Before you can consider any gods' existence you have to have had granted the possibility that there was a god."
How did you work that out? I've been 'introduced' to the idea of the existence of Thor, Zeus, Apollo, Ahura Mazda and hundreds of other gods. I have never granted the possibility of their existence, I have merely acknowledged the belief of other people that they existed. Acknowledging the existence of the belief of someone is not the same thing as holding the same belief.
OK Fine, Zeus is possible. I still deny his existance, that's how easy that is. I doubt his existance completely and with all my reason,,,but,,,he could exist.
More likely than that dick the Bible goes on about too
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