(About Wiccan marker on soldier's grave)
What a travesty. Still can't believe that we gave religious status to an idea that was founded in 1953, that's nothing more than a combination of about 5 cultural eastern beliefs. I guess everyone needs imaginary friends like fairies and unicorns, so why not throw witches in there too. Sad to think that the definition of "tolerance" has changed from "I can accept you for you and not like or agree with it" to "I'm gonna be a politically correct, ignorant idiot and allow you to have your way so I don't hurt your feelings. And, while I'm at it, I'll promote your unfounded belief in a sacred place of rememberance." Ridiculous. Maybe I should make a religion that worships Barney the purple dinosaur and complain to the government until I get my tax-exempt status too. Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:11-12 and 1st Timothy 4:1.
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I believe in God and his son the Lord Jesus Christ, who has been proven historically, cross-culturally, archaeologically, spiritually, and personally. My research says one thing: people are blind and stupid. See what's going on in the world around you and reference it to the Bible and Torah. It's not a metaphor. It's all coming true. Wanna know what else is true? Unbelievers burn. End of story. Sorry to be harsh, but truth hurts.
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound like an ignoramus, but I really don't understand this guy's problem with a Wiccan symbol on a Wiccan's grave. I have yet to hear any intelligent argument as to why this should not be allowed.
Ummm... I thought the Abrahamic deity specifically didn't prove himself, and warned repeatedly against asking him to do so. Barney, on the other hand is observed in the polyester flesh every day and still doesn't threaten those who disbelieve.
Yet ANOTHER volunteer to have a devil giving the finger on his tombstone...
I believe in God and his son the Lord Jesus Christ, who has been proven historically, cross-culturally, archaeologically, spiritually, and personally.
What a travesty. Still can't believe that we gave religious status to an idea that was founded circa 50 AD, that's nothing more than a combination of about 5 cultural eastern beliefs. I guess everyone needs imaginary friends like fairies and unicorns, so why not throw God in there too.
God and jesus have been historically proven? Bwah-hah-hah-ha!
"I guess everyone needs imaginary friends like fairies and unicorns"
Are people STILL whinging about this?
When you die, you can have an image of a torture device on your tombstone if that's what turned you on in life - but you'll still be nothing but a putrefying corpse, same as your neighbor with the star on his tombstone.
Well, if you get buried next to me in a national cemetery, I won't mind if you have the cross, symbolizing your crazy belief in the invisible man on yours.
Still can't believe that we gave religious status to an idea that was founded in the first century, that's nothing more than a combination of Zoroastrianism, various dying-and-rising-god mystery cults, and those parts of Judaism that the Apostle Paul liked.
Don't call someone else "ignorant" if you can't even be bothered to learn about the form of spirituality you are bashing. In fact, there is something in the Bible about not not judging others in such a way. But it is, afterall, a Fundie hallmark to gloss over the forgivness and charitable parts of the New Testament...
So, tolerance of religion now means to impose your beliefs?, by that logic, Christianism should be outlawed, it only exists for 2000 years. Look how the world is going on?, as usual, I don't know what's your point. By the way, which "cultural proof" you have that Jesus is the son of God?, in which way can archaeology prove that?, or are you just saying that from your arse?. Well, conclusion, there is freedom of religion but more for some than for others.
Proven "historically?" How, exactly? There is not a single shred of historical evidence beyond the Bible itself that attests to the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. And the Bible can not be cited as "proof."That isn't "research."
By what logic is: "I can accept you for you and not like or agree with it" to "I'm gonna be a politically correct, ignorant idiot and allow you to have your way so I don't hurt your feelings." showing any difference? In each case tolerance is in fact TOLERATING what someone else does, that has no effect on you. How has it changed? Oh right.... fundies think logic is a tool of satan....
Ridiculous. Maybe I should make a religion that worships Barney the purple dinosaur and complain to the government until I get my tax-exempt status too. So close.
"proven historically, cross-culturally, archaeologically, spiritually, and personally."
Interesting! Would you be a Barnarist, a dinosauric, or a Purpalian? At any rate, if they served their country in the military and offered up their lives for it, any damn thing including a purple dinosaur if they want it, should be put on their grave. THEY DESERVE IT!
I guess everyone needs imaginary friends
Attitudes like this help illuminate other religious issues as well.
"I believe in God and his son the Lord Jesus Christ, who has been proven historically,"No, he hasn't.
"cross-culturally,"
What does "proven cross-culturally" actually mean?
"archaeologically,"
No, he hasn't.
"spiritually,"
What does "proven spiritually actually mean?
" and personally."
With your low standards for evidence, I'm sure you personally believe in the biblical Jesus, but that has nothing to do with actual, credible proof.
You're an idiot and a liar. Sorry to be harsh, but sometimes truth hurts.
OK, disregarding the bits of the bible about witches and unicorns for the moment.
It's called 'freedom of religion' for a reason you Fundie morons. It doesn't mean 'freedom for me to practise my religion, and ban all others!' Get the fuck over it.Wanna know what else is true? Unbelievers burn. End of story. Sorry to be harsh, but truth hurts.
Fuck you. You don't know that; how dare you even presume to know who goes where in the afterlife, who do you think you are? God? Puh-lease.
I can't believe that we gave religious status to an idea founded in 50 CE that's nothing more than combination of about 3 middle eastern beliefs.
What worries me is the idea of turning up at for basic training, getting your gun/boots/uniform and then:
Oh bless your confused little heart.proven historically,
Historical records give evidence that Gerald Gardner did exist; that he was a civil servant in India for years; that he wrote and published several books on Wicca and his experiences with New Forest witchcraft; that he was a Freemason and a member of the OTO; and that he did have a passionate interest in anthropology. You could probably even get his birth and death certificates without too much trouble. There's more evidence Gardner existed than there is Jesus did.
cross-culturally,
Not sure what this means. If he means people in many different cultures can get something out of Christianity, well, people in many different cultures find Wicca spiritually fulfilling too. (Also Islam, Buddhism, etc. etc.)
archaeologically,
Many of Gardner's personal effects, whose provenance has been authenticated by his own family members and friends, some of whom are still living, are sitting in a museum in England as we speak, including Gardner's own Book of Shadows. You got anything like that for Jesus? I thought not.
spiritually, and personally.
Any serious Wiccan will tell you that the practice of Wicca is based on What Works. If it's spiritually and personally fulfilling, they do it; if not, they throw it out, or change it so it is fulfilling. Fundie Christians, on the other hand, insist on mangling the text of a thousands-year-old book and shoehorning every possible human situation into that interpretation whether it works or not. Sorry, you lose.
Oh, and whining about someone else's gravestone instead of honoring the person buried under the stone you came to visit? Great example of Christian love, there. Really.
Praetyre: CE stands for "Common Era", a modern term replacing AD which stands for "Anno Domini", Latin for "Year of Our Lord". In the same way, BCE, "Before Common Era", replaces BC, "Before Christ".
Get some education before you ridicule someone else's.
OK. First:
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No. Not any of them ( "spiritually, and personally" is a single person, unproven claim no matter how many people make the claim) The rest are completely unsubatantiated AND in fact the lack of evidence in those areas "historically, cross-culturally, archaeologically" are evidence AGAINST your religion.
Really? Bible End Times crap is coming true? Literally? When you acquire a photograph of the seven-headed beast of the apocalypse, whose heads bear ten horns and who is ridden by the Mother Harlot, the she-queen of hell who shall usher in the purging fire, let us know. Until then, be quiet.
Oh, and Wicca is waaay older than you think it is. Neopagan religions have been around since BEFORE Christianity. Wicca is simply the modern incarnation of it.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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