[That is a ridiculous thing to say about Abe Lincoln. There is far more evidence to support that he existed.]
Prove it! It's very easy to say, but very hard to prove. And don't give me history books, because the people that wrote the history book could be lying. So, thats not a good source of information. Scientist are just now discovering that there actually was a world-wide flood. Don't talk about something you don't know about.
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Such a shame that if you point out that the babble was written by people who could have been lying, fundies tell you you're wrong. But they have no problem using that same arguement for anything that goes against the babble, like history, or science, or simple common sense :P
1. Contemporary historical sources attest to his existence.
Jesus - No
Lincoln - Yes
2. Existent writings attributed to the subject.
Jesus - No
Lincoln - Yes
3. Contemporary enemies acknowledge subject's existence.
Jesus - No
Lincoln - Yes
4. Contemporary government records attest to the subject's existence.
Jesus - No
Lincoln - Yes
No bona fide scientists have found that the hypothesis of a universal flood explains the actual facts better than current scientifically accepted theories.
Please, don't talk about something you don't know about. Really!
"Redefine everything that contradicts your "truth!" History is fluid!
These Uber-Baptists get more Orwellian by the minute."
It may be wrong, but as I keep witnessing such nonsense, it puts a smile on my face whenever one of their churches get set on fire down south.
"Scientist are just now discovering that there actually was a world-wide flood. Don't talk about something you don't know about."
You first.
Fundy lesson:
""[That is a ridiculous thing to say about Abe Lincoln. There is far more evidence to support that he existed.]
Prove it! It's very easy to say, but very hard to prove."
There is no evidence that his god exists but to him that existence is so well established that is absurd to claim otherwise.
It is equally absurd to claim Lincoln didn't exist, so claims Lincoln didn't exist are logically equivalent to claims god doesn't exist.
In addition to all the myriad documentary evidence (literally freakin' TONS of it), I have just one word: Photographs .
Besides, does this idiot think that everyone just hallucinated the existence of a great president for two terms and that John Wilkes Booth shot nobody?
This is beyond even historical revisionism. This is reality revisionism.
~David D.G.
And don't give me history books, because the people that wrote the history book could be lying.
According to Plato and Bishop Berkeley, a "real" history book may not even exist - a pretty useless concept for "real" life, though ...
In addition to what McCulloch & David D.G. said, I'd point out that the accounts written of Jesus were just of his birth and the last years of his life, written long after his death, by unknown persons of whom we have no other evidence. Of Lincoln we have histories and biographies following Lincoln from birth to death, by known authors of whom we have many other writings by which to test their reliabilities.
Scientist are just now discovering that there actually was a world-wide flood.
Creationist scientists are NOT scientists. I saw the first 8 minutes of a video where a twit in a lab coat claimed to be one in order to prove that the flood was real before I got fed up. He starts by stating the extreme conditions which it takes to fossilize something and then goes on to some babbling rant about how if evolution were true we should expect to see countless fossils where one animal changed their bone structure ever so slightly. But wait! The fossils we do have (he was showing examples of sea creatures that lived along side dinosaurs while claiming the world was 6000 years old) are so perfectly perserved...Look at the detail, look at the little children still in the womb. This would normally be impossible because it requires rapid burial and rapid pressure yet if you look in your fish tank fish float when they die and then sink when they rot, so this cannot happen normally. - That right there is common bullshit that idiots eats up, but is easily explained by science and at that point I couldn't take it another second.
So,let me summarise. A book written centuries and centuries after the facts it tells(the Bible)is infallible. A book of history, written from contemporary evidence and scholar dedication can be a lie. It sticks out you´re a teenager and a stupid one for that matter.
Prove it! It's very easy to say, but very hard to prove. And don't give me the Bible, because the people that wrote the Bible could be lying, so thats not a good source of information. Don't talk about something you don't know about.
Oh god. The irony. It hurts.
Don't talk about something you don't know about.
Exactly, fuckwit.
Scientist are just now discovering that there actually was a world-wide flood.
Impossible. No, I mean that literally. A world-wide flood is, in the most literal of senses, impossible.
@Nostromo
Wow! Read the whole thread, it's a gem!
Mary is the head of your church if you're Catholic. Those guys know even less about catholicism than they do about history!
They're even asserting this to a Catholic poster , and telling him that he doesn't know anything about his own beliefs.
Don't talk about something you don't know about.
Right back atcha.
...uh, actually, that Abe Lincoln existed is impossible to "prove", in a strict logical sense.
I mean, I could go and spout off some crackpot theory about how the world was actually created 30 seconds ago and everything is just a clever trick by this omnipotent creator so we imagine a past that doesn't exist.
And, y'know, you couldn't disprove that.
But it wouldn't exactly be very useful either. Science judges on utility, not whatever this "proof" is.
--GF
Belated congratulations going out to the massive conspiracy that created and perpetrated the Myth of Abraham Lincoln. Wow! A gullible America has believed for over 150 years now that there was a bearded man from Illinois who actually became president, led the U.S. to victory during a bloody war and was killed. What attention to detail! The history books, the alterations of the Congressional Record, the (phony) Lincoln-Douglass debates, the Emancipation Proclamation, the Gettysburg Address, the erection of the Lincoln Memorial, the faces on all the pennies and $5-bills: Bravo! It makes whatever conspiracy may exist about JFK's death look pathetic.
I nominate missions2005 as Historian Laureate of the United States.
*head-scratch*
Let me get this straight.
History books, who have direct descendants traceable to events in question are suspect and should be shunned. But a book that makes extraordinary, illogical, wild claims should be taken without question. Gotcha.
Dude, I'm CANADIAN, and I know he existed. As far as their being evidence for a world-wide flood...Sure, of course there was one. It has a special name. We call it the ICE AGE.
The Bible is just one book, there is no other contemporary source that corroborates it.
Many contemporary and historical books mentions Abe Lincon, plus several news papers around the world reported about his murder in 1865.
That murder is not so long ago, all things considered. My grandparent's grandparents could have lived around the time when he was murdered.
You don't exist, missions2005. You could be a cleverly coded bot, for all we know.
...oh, and as for proof, Lincoln's remains. As with Ramses II. Now show me Jesus's remains.
...thought not.
The ancient Chinese civilisation existed during Biblical times. They were sticklers for record-keeping (natch). Their civilisation lasted beyond Jesus & co. Funny then, that in their detailed and comprehensive records/histories etc, there isn't one mention of a cataclysmic, civilisation-destroying 'Flood'.
Funny, that. And not in a 'Funny-ha-ha' way, neither.
Don't talk about something you don't know about. But then, you know nothing . Period.
"Scientist are just now discovering that there actually was a world-wide flood."
Your English teacher called, she said you are a liar and you didn't do well in her class either.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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