[on why Genesis says light existed before the sun]
The light represents day and light is made up of photons. God created photons the first day because they are basically the glue that keeps matter together.
12 comments
This is actually interesting. Fundies whine on about dark matter and dark energy being myths and part of the war against God. Well, I guess we just have to wait until one of them places them in Genesis.
Why? The Hebrew words for "without form, and void" in Genesis 1,1 are tohu and bohu . These words are not attested anywhere else in Biblical Hebrew and have no known relationship to any words in other Semitic languages. The translation "without form, and void" is a guess based on the context.
So, instead of whining and bitching, some fundie could claim that tohu and bohu are actually dark matter and dark energy respectively, putting the Bible at the vanguard of astrophysics, from their viewpoint that is.
Someone fell asleep during Physics class: and the word 'Photons' somehow entered his subconscious.
...and if Photons 'are basically the glue that keeps matter together', then if a waterjet cutter can destroy a 'meme':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3gWcczxj-s
Then what about industrial lasers ?!
This really is a pointless discussion.
Does it matter that the story says there was light before the sun? In the context of the story, it's perfectly fine. I mean, seriously, there's an omniscient, omnipotent, magic space and time wizard creating the entire universe ex nihilo, and the complaint is that he can't make light, too?
The real problem is that there's no evidence that any of it is true, so why pick one detail to complain about?
@Dr. Razark
This is not the whole of the problems with Genesis. It's just one of many items brought up in response to Xian attempts to harmonize the myth with those parts of known science they arevwilling or forced to accept.
Creationists like Shadow will try to justify each item, one at a time.
Then other creationists, who don't quite tollow the argument, can be happily satisfied that someone has addressed it. And when they see the full list of problems in taking a Bronze Age fairy tale as equal to science, they will only recall, "somebody explained tgat, stupid atheist."
@K
"This is not the whole of the problems with Genesis. It's just one of many items brought up in response to Xian attempts to harmonize the myth with those parts of known science they arevwilling or forced to accept."
But "x is not possible" is not a valid objection when magic is a valid answer to any part of it.
How was the universe created? Magic.
How was there light before the sun? Magic.
Talking snake tricks people into sin? Magic.
Cain finds a wife when the only other people are his parents? Magic.
God floods the world? Magic.
Noah fits all the animals on a boat, feeds them, deals with the poop, and gets the animals to their current locations without leaving behind any evidence? Magic.
People build a huge tower to Heaven, so god makes them speak different languages? Magic.
Etc. etc. ad nauseam.
There is absolutely no part of the story that needs to be explained beyond magic happened , so why bother arguing over little details?
That's like saying "Ok, I get the fact that Harry Potter went to a wizard school with a bunch of other wizards in some hidden wizard world where he learned to cast spells and play with dragons and ghosts, and there's giants and sea monsters and a tree that beats people and time travel. BUT A FLYING BROOM IS JUST WAY TOO CRAZY! HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?!? "
On the other hand, where is the evidence that any of the story is true in the first place? Why should I be expected to accept flimsy excuses when the person presenting the excuse has nothing to back up the story? That is the whole problem with Genesis.
Back when I first read the bible, my biggest objection to the Genesis story was based on the then-common idea that the serpent was Satan in disguise. So... God punished all snakes for eternity for the actions of a being who was not a snake and probably had no connection to them? Gee, how omnibenevolent of you.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force.
As if millions of physicists facepalmed, and were suddenly silenced....
Regards & all,
Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
To post a comment, you'll need to Sign in or Register . Making an account also allows you to claim credit for submitting quotes, and to vote on quotes and comments. You don't even need to give us your email address.