In my town, city hall had to remove their nativity scene because of this nonsense, me I still have a nativity in front of my house. If I were told to remove it I would go one step farther and use real animals and people!!
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You have every right to put up whatever you want in your own yard.
Whether you're allowed to keep sheep and camels in a populated area is, of course, a different matter.
Believe me, if you were told to remove it I would protest that action, but nativity scenes don't belong in the state capital or city hall. Oh yeah, if you use real animals I'll just sacrifice them to myself.
It isn't about the hatred towards Christians, and it isn't about the fact that it breaches secularism.
I don't care about any of that, and neither should any of you. What you should really be concerned about is the major issue here: that the taxpayers' money is being spent on it.
If it came out of the back pocket of the Mayor himself, I wouldn't mind. After all, it is just a nativity play. But the fact is, you can't spend taxpayers' money on this crap.
Maybe they should spend less of it on that, and more on -- let's see . . . oh, infrastructure, hospitals, education, that sort of thing -- than maybe Washington City and the rest of America would be a nicer place to live.
So all of you, please stop crowing about how it breaches secularism -- it doesn't really, since it's jsut a nativity play.
Still, you are right (even if for the wrong reasons), and "rapturecalldan" should shut up and grow a common sense lobe.
You can do that anyway. The difference is, City Hall is owned by everybody. Unless you wouldn't mind jewish, muslim, pagan, and whatever-the-fuck-else putting up quaint displays of their faith. Of course, that would also include me, with my annoying atheist holiday greetings!
Your city hall is paid for by tax dollars. Some of the people paying these taxes are Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jewish, agnostic, and athiest as well Christians. Why should someone who doesn't share your religious belief pay for a decoration that is totally based on your religion? Your own private property is paid for by you, therefore anything not offensive or obscene can be placed there.
LOL, we dont care if it is in front of your house.
City Hall is for business, not religion. City Hall is NOT a church. City Hall is public property, and you would not think twice about taking an atheist sign down from its halls.
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"Where you gonna get a virgin from?"
Maybe the very youngest Palin daughter?
If I were told to remove it I would go one step farther and use real animals and people!!
Why would you be told to remove it? The First Amendment only restricts the government, not private citizens on their own property.
You have every right to do so. However, something tells me that if I made a light up Santa mooning your nativity scene, suddenly private property would be forgotten, and you'd be demanding that it be torn down.
The Mormons do that every year. Well except they use a doll for Jesus because of the weather. Don't want to be confused with Mormons do you?
Oh, and I'm going to assume that your city has some sort of bylaws against keeping farm animals on your property. So yeah, stick with the plastic crap that you shove into the back of the garage for the rest of the year.
@Hadron: re: "Getting a newborn to play the baby jebus wouldn't be easy either. "
At the rate those guys breed it would be a cinch to get an infant. I think scientists should investigate to see whether they carry multiple, staggered pregnancies.
You're yard is you're own private property. You have every right to put up a nativity scene.
Religious figures are not allowed in government buildings for a reason. How would you feel if City Hall decided to put a giant Buddha statue in front of their building?
I find it hard to believe that some atheists get pissed about nativity scenes. I'm an atheist but I don't mind religious displays, I'm fairly indifferent to them - they usually look good so I'm all for it.
It's when religion starts to intrude on the things that matter - like teaching creationism, preaching at me, fundamentalism - that pisses me off.
There are many things to get offended about, why a nativity scene?
“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matthew 5:10-12
God bless you rapturecalldan!
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
John 15:18-20
“In my town, city hall had to remove their nativity scene because of this nonsense,”
“me I still have a nativity in front of my house”
“If I were told to remove”
In my city, town hall had to remove their naivety scene because of his stones in it, me I still have a naivety in front of my shouting. If I were removed to pet I would lotto for the people and use near real sand animals!!
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