Brian #fundie

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Yes, God forbid alternatives are taught. So much for "tolerance."

I love how Darwinists want to ban all mention of alternate ideas, while ID people are perfectly fine with evolution being taught. Funny who ends up being open-minded.

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old comment by Anon

Decision in the matter of Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, Judge John E. Jones III, December 20, 2005:

" * The evidence at trial demonstrates that ID is nothing less than the progeny of creationism.

* The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory.

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* Accordingly, we find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom, in violation of the Establishment Clause."

So:

"Open-Minded" does not mean "free to subvert education to promote your own religion." If you don't like that, then just try and get the first amendment to the US constitution changed.

old comment by Canadiest

"perfectly fine with evolution being taught"

Because your educational stragedy (for now) is not to have church actually in school but to devalue scientific knowledge, you still need evolution to argue against.
It's not the only other argument that bothers you, it's the only rational, logical and scientific argument. It's also the most detailed theory covering what came before and showing how it fits with now.

Evolutional theory came up with predictions (Darwin made some himself) of what may be discovered in the future if the theory is right. These predictions have been vindicated, resolved, proven. Religion's failed at all predictions except the obvious.

old comment by Canadiest

The ID also people wanted to frame Evolution under their own description (if they couldn't get it completely removed)such as "Evolution is only a theory and has never been proved" (trying to destroy the weight behind scientific theory) " Many scientists dispute evolution theory" (Possibly referencing their lists of dentists and pharmacists they like to call scientific experts)

Many of these relabeling tactics made it onto textbook stickers and forewords. In some Bible belt states they've started implimenting laws that allow teachers to express their religious opinions about subjects without redress, effectively allowing them to tell students that evolutional theory is completely wrong.

"ID people are perfectly fine with evolution being taught"
Lie.

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No, in a science class we want to reject things that aren't science.

Don't you fucking get it? Science is like a dog show; Scientists want to include all dogs and have them judged fairly on their own merits. Creationists/IDiots show up with a story about a supernatural sky-pixie and when the scientists say "This show is only for dogs", they bitch about how the scientists want to "ban all alternate ideas" and are persecuting them for their religious beliefs. Creationists/IDiots insist on calling their sky-pixie a dog, and insist it be given the "best of show" trophy. It can't compete in any way with the show dogs, and they have no evidence of it or that it is the best in the show other than they "believe it is", "they read it in some 2000 year-old book", and "a lot of people believe" in their specific sky-pixie. Not only do they want their sky-pixie to be the only dog, anything that we currently consider a dog is "the work of the devil", "lies from the pit of hell", and "the source of all societal ills including murder, rape, child abuse, abortion, alcoholism, drug abuse, homosexuality, pornography, prostitution, and is what got mandatory prayers to their specific sky-pixie thrown out of public schools". Hitler and Stalin had dogs, you know. As such, they're the epitome of evil, and must be destroyed.

Creationism/IDiocy is NOT SCIENCE! It gets rejected because IT'S NOT SCIENCE!!! The Kitzmiller v. Dover verdict clearly says just that, in a court of law. If you reject that law, you're going to hell because your "holy book of morality" in Romans says "Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."

We'll consider teaching of creationism in science class right after you allow teaching of evolution in your church. I'm sure IN YOUR CHURCH, GOD DOES FORBID ALTERNATIVES ARE TAUGHT. What's that first commandment say again? If you aren't teaching evolution in church, now who's "banning all mention of alternate ideas" and "not being open minded"? Your church should also be teaching EVERY OTHER creation myth, including the Egyptian myth that says the universe and everything in it is the result of Atum's masturbation. Stop banning alternate ideas! Teach the controversy and let the kids decide, you know.

old comment by Kanna

Kids in a science class must first learn the methods of science. Most importantly, they must find evidence before they can reach a conclusion. Now you write up all your evidence for intelligent design / creationism and let's run it through a faculty review and see how well you stick to that first rule. Include illustrations and references.

No, Brian, I said evidence, not arguments. Evidence. And not "fake evidence that shows that evolution is false", because your task is to convince us that ID is correct, and disproving evolution would simply leave us with no good explanatory theory. Even if Darwin had never lived, that wouldn't make ID true, and you'd just be telling lies about Mendel and Wallace instead.

“Yes, God forbid alternatives are taught.”
You mean religion. You want your religion taught, in a lab coat disguise.
And that’s unconstitutional.
ID/Creationism is NOT an alternative to science.

“So much for "tolerance."”
There’s no requirement to tolerate illegal lessons.

“I love how Darwinists want to ban all mention of alternate ideas,”
Just the illegal ones.

“while ID people are perfectly fine with evolution being taught.”
No, the whole purpose of the Wedge Document was to slip ID into classes so that eventually they could kick evolution out and just teach Creationism. Or at LEAST use ID to discredit evolution.

“Funny who ends up being open-minded.”
Not you, that’s for fucking sure. Your ‘openmindedness’ is only a tactic.

Brian #fundie blog.wired.com

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