[re a draft law in Tasmania which makes counselors opposed to abortion refer pregnant women they advise to a counselor with a different opinion]
Referring a woman who is still making up her mind or even is positively looking *not* to abort to a pro-abortion counselor just to discuss her pregnancy and her "options" with her, when she originally came to a pro-life counselor, gives a whole new meaning to the word "diabolical." This could be a woman who is undecided, not even going to a doctor seeking an abortion, and the law is requiring any "counselor" to be sure she gets the pro-abort spiel. Incredible.
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If this is pre-natal counselling only a lunatic without a shred of legitimate training actually suggests an abortion to a woman in lieu of care options, and I've never even heard of somebody trying to convince a woman who plans on keeping the child to abort instead except in pro-lifer's questionable rants and parodies of said rants.
If this is medically related counselling, the only reason an abortion would be suggested is if there are life-threatening complications and pro-lifers have a very real track record of ignoring the life of the mother in favour of a fetus that won't survive regardless of any action taken and actively blocking any attempt to save their lives.
You are making the mistake of saying women deliberately choose an anti-abortion doctor here. You can't tell a doctor's position by their face, and it would be rather inappropriate to advertise oneself on a politicized issue. If a pregnant person needs guidance on the issue, she benefits from an unbiased expert's advice or second opinion.
unless the health and safety of the mother is in question, there is no fucking, "pro-abort spiel". you are a liar, and a bad one at that.
No, you dolt! She should go to a counsellor that would help her view ALL options, not someone who will TELL her what the right option is, like the doctor who oppose abortions would.
Nobody is pro-abortion, stupid, any more than we are pro-operation or pro-amputation. If you find yourself in the predicament of an unwanted pregnancy, abortion IS one of the options. If you feel you have the opportunity to view all options calmly and carefully, you might arrive at the conclusion to keep the baby. That is what pro-CHOICE is all about. If you feel desperate and feel there's no options and that you will be ostracized if you show up with a baby, you might conclude that the ONLY option is an abortion.
What's wrong with the world? People like you, who want to decide for others how they should live their lives.
What makes anyone think that a counselor is going to recommend or insist on abortion to a woman who has no desire to get one?
Oh right, "pro-life" people always insist on pushing their views upon everyone else, so they think that everyone else pushes their views, too.
Abortion: "Only teach one side of the controversy. Don't let anyone tell the woman both sides. Women should only be told one side of the story so as to promote our view."
Science: "Teach both sides of the controversy. We need to let the children hear both sides. It's not fair that they only learn the scientific side, they need to hear the religious side as well."
Fundies: Showing their hypocrisy for over 2,000 years.
Which of course makes these people think they mean "Unless a doctor is baying for the child to be aborted and sacrificed on the unhoy altar, they have to forward the patient to one that does," not "If the doctor cannot in good conscience adhere to a woman's wishes to terminate a pregnancy, s/he is obligated to refer her to one who will as opposed to leaving her high and dry."
I ... actually agree that this law would probably be a bad idea.
But don't count me as a "win" to your side of the aisle, little missy. I know you'd wholeheartedly support a law that forced pro-abortion counselors to refer pregnant women to an anto-abortion counselor, you little hypocrite.
Oh dear, oh dear, you really didn't think this through, did, you, Lydia? Beside nipping in the bud any opportunity to prozelitise to women who seriously consider an abortion, a medical professional advertising his anti-abortion position would mean that no woman would consult him on that subject, as they would already knew that he'd just regurgitate dogma instead of actually considering their case.
Even pro-lifers looking for someone to browbeat the idea of an abortion out of their mind wouldn't need him, since they already have their priests/pastors/witch-doctors/other authority figures. The only exceptions I could imagine would be the (very) odd non-religious pro-lifer, or the fundie looking for someone to talk her out of a medically necessary abortion: one couldn't exactly expect to support a practice with the former, and the latter just scream "malpractice lawsuit when she croaks because she didn't get the abortion she needed"... Not a sound business plan either way.
I think there would be less abortion if women and men (girls and boys)received better sex education, had birth control available, and mothers had better support in society, financial, emotional, educational support. Women are doomed no matter what, she has an abortion that makes her a "child murderer" she keeps the baby and that makes her a single mother whore who wants to live of government welfare.
@Pule Thamex
Have they no consideration at all for the tornado ravaged areas of the world?
That made me literally LOL. Thank you, after my week at work I needed that chuckle!
Wow. How insane.
For insight into the sort of people who frequent that site, here's a tidbit:
For the record, that's religious fundamentalism, bizarre conspiracy theories, comparing religion & abortion to child abuse/molestation, AND an open hatred for the First Amendment. I think that's a new record.
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