Please Explain Why there are still sighted and known dinasours in part's of Africa please. unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers.
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How hard would it be to actually document real living dinosaurs? It they are immediately recognized as dinosaurs they are probably of the huge variety and I think more than 300 people would know about that.
So I agree with DevilsChaplain, I'm pretty sure that you are the liar here.
You can find 300 people to say anything, ANYTHING exists. What you need is evidence, and you have none.
Also, finding dinosaurs wouldn't disprove evolution. As a matter of fact, there ARE dinosaurs in Africa and every other continent, they're called "birds."
Name the country in Africa where this allegedly took place. I dare you.
Or, y'know, take a picture of one.
I assume Samson25877 is referring to the legendary Mokele-mbembe
The natives do not call it a "dinosaur." Their descriptions seem to match that of a smallish sauropod.
It also resembles a large hippo or a small elephant. The "long neck and tail" is an interesting detail, however.
At any rate, the natives' reports are only that: unsubstantiated reports. Many expeditions launched specifically to find the animal have all come up empty.
As for calling them all "liers," well, two billion people on the planet insist that the bible is true, and the entity it refers to as "God" is real, and that he came to Earth in human form as his own son to save us all from being punished for a situation he set up in the first place.
Did you have a point?
Let me guess... The thousands of sightings of UFO's, Bigfoot, Chupacabra, etc. aren't enough to convince you of their existence, right?
But if it fits your world view, a few hundred sightings is air tight proof.
Please Explain Why there are still sighted and known dinasours in part's of Africa please
Explain? Ok. There have not been any confirmed, irrefutable, or independantly varifiable sightings of a living dinosaurs anywhere in Africa, or any place for that matter.
Africa please. unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers.
You are presenting a false dichotomy by claiming that the only choices are either they really did see a living dinosaur, or they are willfully lying with the intent to deceive. Those are not the only two explanations, The natives could simply be mistaken, or it could be a simple matter of meanings being lost in translation on the behalf of the interveiwer.
Case in point, when showed pictures of certain large animals native to sub Saharan Africa many of the natives have pointed out Hippos and other large mammals as the beast they were referncing rather than a large herbivorous that interviewers/explorers/cryptozoologists believed they where refering to.
There is little consideration for the dinosuar claim simply because it would not be likely that a sustainable breeding population of such large creatures could exist and forge for food the feed that population and still manage to remain completely undetected. Further more creatures of that size and appetite would be expected to leave at least some amount of evidence other than unreliable sightings and editorial assumptions.
I went to my local candy shoppe and bought a pack of "dina-sours." They were pretty good. And I acknowledge their existence.
Now, the terrible lizards that, it seems were wiped out by a meteor crashing into the earth when the Ice Age began, that's another story.....
"unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers."
Nah. They most probably weren't lying. They probably were just not talking about what we know as dinosaurs. For example, the ancient Maya conception of what a god is is very much different from the concept of God I grew up with. For example, it has been misinterpreted (and this bit is still being propagated on the web I see) that the city of Cuzco was supposedly laid out in the shape of a puma, when what was meant was the organization of the government/people of the city of Cuzco was analogous to the body of a puma in the Inca society. For that matter, many well-known animals have been appropriated in whole or in part for symbols of parts of indigenous culture around the world, but to the uninitiated (myself previously included :P) the mention of a jaguar or a bull or whatever brings to mind literally that animal, when that may be the furthest thing from what is actually meant.
Besides, even if they are actually referring to dinosaurs, there's nothing in evolutionary theory (I'm assuming this is what your argument is about) that states dinosaurs can't possibly be alive now. All it would mean is there was some small pocket of them that managed to remain adapted to the local environment and maintain enough genetic diversity to not be wiped out by some disease or something.
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In the best conditions, yes, but we have declared species extinct then found some isolated pocket of them. That said, that's rare, and something out of the ordinary that 300 native people have supposedly seen -should- have been found by someone else by now.
They're exaggerating, not lying. You see any reptile that is slightly larger than average, you mind generally tends to exaggerate its size. You pass the story along, and the size is exaggerated further in the minds of your audience. Let this story get passed on through the grapevine, and eventually you have dinosaurs running loose in Africa.
If large dinosaurs were still around, it would be hard to miss them. As far as smaller dinosaurs go, birds are the closest thing you're going to get to that.
Well, apparently Washington State has a far higher percentatge of Bigfoot sightings than anywhere else in continental North America, far less than neghbouring Idaho with very few sightings.
I put to you that maybe, just maybe, those Washington State bigfoot sighters could be (gasp) "liers", oh noes!
See the thing is they are probably not confusing rhinos and elephants with dinosaurs. You don't get to make that kind of mistake...
They may know of some new super sized animals since the jungles of africa are extremely unspoilt and have no human contact.
Or it may just be drop bears...
You can find 300 people to tell you that the moon landing was faked, or that the holocaust didn't happen, or that they were abducted by aliens. The fact that they're natives does not affect their reliability; the fact that there are only 300 of them and no documentation does.
@Undecided: "If...the...animal...exists...then...we...should...be...able...to...find...it."
I'm not defending Samson or anything, but there is a gecko in the next room that was declared extinct around 1870 and then "...was...found..." on an isolated chain of islands in 1994 along with a few cousins. Thankfully they breed very well in captivity and now are common advanced care level herps. Basically my point is, we don't do a good job finding things when we are looking for them - kinda like the searches for giant/colossal squid and other "known" creatures of the deep.
The African equivalent of the Loch Ness Monster is not sufficient evidence to back up your claims. Furthermore, sightings of dinosaurs nowadays would not prove that creationists are right, and it wouldn't mean that evolution is wrong. All it would mean is that we were wrong about those particular species going extinct. Dinosaurs are still around today, but only a few varieties still exist, none of which existed in the Mesozoic era. These modern-day dinosaurs are also called "birds".
Natives? You're calling them natives?
Have you been watching Tarzan movies from the 1950's?
Do these "natives" wear grass skirts, and boil missionaries alive whilst dancing around a cauldron chanting things like "ooouga boooguu"
Because in your altered reality dinosaurs do exist, and you are one of them
@Painful: That is true. But scientists declared dinosaurs extinct because we haven't found any fossils newer then 65 million years ago. Dinosaurs aren't like the celocanth, which lives in only one place underwater, thus making it hard to find fossils. They dominated the world and lived on every imaginable landmass. And after the K-T boundary we see no dinosaurs, they are just extinct.
You're talking about the Mokele-mbembe aren't you? Because Mokele can't be considered a "sighted and known dinosaur." And here's why- when a native was asked if they'd seen the creature
""What a stupid question," said Doubla, looking genuinely surprised. . . . "Mokele-mbembe is not an animal like a gorilla or python. And Mokele-mbembe is not a sacred animal. It doesn't appear to people. It is an animal of mystery. It exists because we imagine it. But to see it--never. You don't see it." (O'Hanlon, 1997).
So I'm calling you a liar, good sir, not the natives. Or at the very least, ignorant and listening to liars.
I bet I could find 300 African liars in my spam folder alone, c/w murdered cocoa magnates, crates of gold dust, swindled funds from over-invoiced contracts, terminally ill peoples' charity bequests, Saddam Hussain's lost millions, orphaned refugees, oil execs with no next-of-kin killed in traffic accidents...
> unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers.
I'm not calling them liars - I'm just saying they're not giving us enough hard evidence to conclude that dinosaurs still live.
It's you who is jumping to the conclusions.
I don't think that the natives were lying to be known or gain attention of some sort per se. I think that they just sometimes make up tall tales about mythical creatures to tourists visiting the area for kicks. And hey, after all they all should try to get the story straight so everyone says the same thing,
It's kind of like the tales of the Jackalope and how supposedly they mimic sound to include human voices, you can milk a female Jackalope while she's sleeping belly up at night and use the milk for various medicinal purposes, and if you catch a Jackalope, their meat tastes like lobster, but be carefull since a Jackalope is dangerous if approached. Just because hundreds of people talk about its' existance, that doesn't make it so.
Furthermore, it's okay to call someone or a group of people liars if you know what they are saying isn't truthful.
Irony here is that this post comes from youtube. You know, "Pics or it didn't happen" thing. Or, in this case, videos.
hmmmm well i was in zambia only this june, for 4 weeks and did'nt see one dinosaur, fuck if i had have done id have done a sex wee, seeing as i was on a fossil dig
i think you lie for jebus mate!!
I wonder if one were to ask of some of these natives whether they'd seen a behemoth, a leviathan, or "a wild beast" what kind of answer one might get.
In the mean time, I have an aquaintance in Africa (Ivory Coast) that is going to sell me one of these dinos. It's real. I'm going to display it all over the world and be rich.
RICH, RICH, RICH, I tell you. He only needs a little seed money to trap and transport it to me so I'm sending him my info on my bank account, credit cards, PIN #s, etc.
I'm sure out of 5 billion people you could find 300 who have sighted Big Foot, Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, human vampires or alien spacecraft, too.
unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd [sic] all liers [sic].
I'm sure there are more than 300 posters on Retard Ready too and I call all of you insane and liars. How about that?
"Why there are still sighted and known dinasours in part's of Africa"
PROTIP: "Jurassic Park" is NOT a documentary. And even if it were, it's set on Isla Nublar, a fictional island off South America. Thus doubly not a documentary.
"you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers"
There's more than that number who report UFO sightings every day around the world - all of which can be explained by natural phenomena, optical illusions or merely aircraft lights. Now, care to give us the names & addresses of these '300 natives' to back up your claims, hmmmmmm? Thought not.
Now who's the 'lier'?
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OK, let's assume for the sake of argument that there's still a dinosaur or two in Africa (as opposed to the billions of them still flying around with feathers). So what? There are still horseshoe crabs, cockroaches and jellyfish, all of which were around long before the first dinosaur was born. What's his point? That we were mistaken about them going extinct? We thought the coelacanths went extinct at the same time as the dinosaurs, and then we found one swimming around in the Indian Ocean in 1938. All it shows is that an animal can remain hidden from Western science in a remote place for several centuries. Hell, we discovered an entirely new phylum of animals living attached to the bodies of lobsters in 1995.
Of course, the real tragedy is the Samson will never visit 'Africa' to see these dinosaurs for him/her/itself. I have been to this great, dark continent and I have SEEN these creatures for myself! In textbooks. At school.
I assume you refer to Mkolo Mbebe.
Well, there surely also have been 300 people who saw Nessy (or rather believed they saw it) and there also have been lots of people who saw Elvis in the years after his death alive and well, maybe at the local supermarket, at the gas station or where else.
Doesn´t make these sightings true however ;)
There are of course lots of dinosaurs in Africa. The whole of it, not only « part's ». And a lot more than 300 « natives » saw them.
By the way, now they're called « birds ».
Evolution ftw!
Many more have seen the Loch Ness monster. I'll even bet that there are more than 300 sightings of Champ. It's a fairly small number. Without a capture, skeleton, nest, clutch of eggs, or other physical evidence we can see and touch, it doesn't exist. Same for the millions of ghost sightings. Some are liars, some are crackpots, some are just mistaken.
Cryptozoological myth. But even if it were not, and a living dinosaur was discovered tomorrow, so what? It wouldn't invalidate the T of E any more than coelacanths, sharks or crocodiles do.
Please Explain Why there are still sighted and known dinasours in part's of Africa please.
1) In proper capitilization. -2
2) Incorrect spelling of dinosaur. -1
3) No need for an apostrophe in "parts." -1
4) You need a comma between Africa and please. -1
5) There is no need for the second please. -1
unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers.
1) Capital U for the start of a sentence. -1
2) Than, not then. -1
3) Interviewed, not interviewd. -1
4) Liars, not liers. -1
Overall, you rate a -10 on my grammar scale. Plus, you neglected to provide a citation for your "more than 300 natives" claim.
300?
Well then.
THIS IS SPARTA!
You want me to believe a herd of jungle-dwelling natives?
Furthermore, when was the last time the Discovery Channel did a special on Africa's Dinosaurs?
Do these natives live in a place called Isla Sorna?
Lulz aside, I went through a phase of being interested in cryptozoology in my teenage years - strictly because I'm an amateur dinosaur nut. Most of the natives interviewed didn't consider the alleged dinosaur to be unusual, just part of the wildlife. Often it turned out to be something pretty mundane.
Everybody else has covered the UFOs, Bigfoot, el Chupacabra point. And yes, many natives have claimed to see 'dinosaurs', but that wasn't the word they chose.
Still, if a few lost-in-translation descriptions convince you that easily, I guess it explains why you buy Creationism...
1. how many things would one have to believe in on a mere 300 unsubstantiated reports? fucking everything, it'd be like living in a badly written modern fantasy novel.
2. maybe the natives heard that a fool and his money are soon parted and want to buy some levis?
3. maybe dishonest creationists have twisted their story from a creature of legend into a dinosaur of legend?
4. maybe they didn't actually see it and dishonest creationists made the story up out of whole cloth because they know their listeners are never going to fact check cause creationist is a synonym for GULLIBLE.
Damn it, did some of the test subjects escape my cloning lab?
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I mean... Dinosaurs? Ha ha ha, silly natives for seeing things and silly fundie for believing them. There are totally no secret dinosaur cloning labs in Africa, and I most certainly don't run them. You can't prove anything.
“Please Explain Why there are still sighted and known dinasours in part's of Africa please.”
See the Coelacanth. nothing in the theory of evolution demands that anything die off.
The fossils of dinosaurs and coelacanth seem to stop at a certain point, but finding them alive in or off the coast of Africa does FUCK ALL to the theory of evolution or the timeline of Earth’s geology.
"unless you would like to call more then 300 natives interviewd all liers”
Right now they’re just stories. Same as Chupacabra, Bigfoot, Thunder Bird, Kevin Sorbo’s continuing career, and Nessie.
With something more than stories, we could determine if they were ‘liers’ or not.
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