['is it OK to falsely accuse somebody of promoting kiddy porn, just becuase you hate what they stand for?']
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then DUH.
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Wait, so bringing false witness follows those rules and stuff in the Bible, then? Do unto others and all that? Damn, maybe I should become a Fundie! It'd be great to have a religion that allows me to LIE about someone just because I hate them!
This thread is pretty insane, here is the quote with a little more context:
Blessedx4:
>>Planned Parenthood: Proponent of racism, protector of
rapists, promoter of kiddie porn
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publi ...le_12271.shtml<<
ania:
>>Wow... Planned Parenthood promotes kiddie porn? Sexually explicit photos - or worse, movies - involving children? Is there anything more disgusting?
That's outrageous! How awful!!
Wow, there's even a blurred example of the "kiddie porn". (http://www.all.org/pdf/ppad2.pdf )
Wait, those aren't children - they're adults.
And it's not even a photograph - it's a cartoon.
From an educational book. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1564021599/104-3888733-4896737?v=glance&n=283155 )
So really, the "kiddie porn" isn't "kiddie porn" by any reasonable definition at all.
Whoever said that PP promotes kiddie porn is lying. And, because of the accusation, it's the worst, most viciously evil kind of false witness there is.
And if they're willing to lie about that, why should I take anything else they say seriously?<<
mamacags:
>>Ania are you a Christian?<<
Ania:
>>Yes.
Now your turn:
mamacags, is it OK to falsely accuse somebody of promoting kiddy porn, just becuase you hate what they stand for?<<
mamacags:
>>If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then DUH.<<
Mamacags couldn't have made a worse display of Christian values even if she'd picked up the baby Jesus and started slapping him.
Hooo mama!
Wow - OK let's just ignore the definition of the word slander and the reasons why it's illegal and the fact you can get your ass sued off for defamatory remarks.
In #26728 you said
"If I am wrong then all I have done is tried to lead the most moral life I can."
I sincerely hope no one else shares your defintion of morals.
Moses didn't:
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Yes the 9th commandment)
That was reinforced as the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 19.
And don't forget Matthew 15
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, blasphemies:
20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man
You officially reek mama!
We see your education is still sadly insufficient!
http://www.fstdt.com/comments.asp?id=10332
Damn. That's a train-wreck of a thread.
mamacags: "3. Prove that there was a lie anywhere."
Umm... the so-called "kiddie porn" depicts adults.
Apparently it's OK to lie to/about your enemies. Except when you're Muslim. Then it's evil. Hypocrites.
godling: Banned? Damn, you're right. So much for 'attack the argument not the person'.
Sadly, there are indeed those who feel the need to lie if they think it fulfills the purpose of demonizing those they disagree with.
I myself disagree with Planned Parenthood (due to instances where chapters have failed to comply with local government). However, I personally wouldn't level such a charge as child porn unless it were legit.
(thanks for pointing me here, anonymous friend.)
Hi there.
I consider it an honor to be banned from RR for standing up for, y'know, not lying.
Having said that, I bear them no malice. I forgive them, and wish them well.
I hope that mamacags takes the opportunity to clarify her words and affirm that (1) it's not OK to bear false witness, even against our enemies; and that (2) two wrongs *don't* make a right.
Mama,
I have seen some of your posts, btu this is the worst of them all. Then, you and your cronies on that wacko board are celebrating that the one person with enough courage to stand up to your bullshit gets banned. Did you ever stop to consider that you might not have the only valid opinion?
Quote #26804 By Infiltrator
"Mama,
I have seen some of your posts, btu this is the worst of them all. Then, you and your cronies on that wacko board are celebrating that the one person with enough courage to stand up to your bullshit gets banned. Did you ever stop to consider that you might not have the only valid opinion?"
I have seen much worse than this....this is your average, everyday Mama post. Sorry Mama, but you have to lose the hate for others....it is rotting your witness.
I stood up to the RR bullshit and was banned.
Ania, thank you for trying to enlighten mamacags. Sadly, I fear that it is as futile a task as trying to hold back the tide with one's bare hands, especially since the moderator inexplicably sided with her and against you, to the point of banning you. Talk about compounding the offense!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: A fanatic is someone who, when he has lost sight of his goals, redoubles his effort. Mamacags and those like her are making great strides, but they are headed very much in the wrong direction.
There are many Christians who deal in love and honor as Christ is reported to have taught, but many other so-called Christians deal in ignorance, fear, and hate. They are the ones who give the religion (and its namesake) a bad name.
~David D.G.
Wait, so bringing false witness follows those rules and stuff in the Bible, then?
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A lot of fundy wackos think that lying for the Lord is an okay thing to do.
I believe that there is some biblical support for this, I'm going to guess that Paul came up with it, but I'm not sure.
There is biblical support for this idea of bearing false witness as long as one is trying to advance the cause of God. In Romans 3:7 KJV Paul contends "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" Of course, one might wonder how a lie advances the truth, but that's only a problem for those who think.
So, I guess, if a Xian thinks the cause of God would be advanced by having more Republican voters, it would be acceptable to falsely accuse your Democratic neighbors of promoting kiddie porn.
There is biblical support for this idea of bearing false witness as long as one is trying to advance the cause of God. In Romans 3:7 KJV Paul contends "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" Of course, one might wonder how a lie advances the truth, but that's only a problem for those who think.
So, I guess, if a Xian thinks the cause of God would be advanced by having more Republican voters, it would be acceptable to falsely accuse your Democratic neighbors of promoting kiddie porn.
No wonder these fundies think that one needs to believe in god to be moral. They do believe and yet they lie, distort the truth, slander others, openly hate others. Imagine how bad they'd be if they didn't believe!
Papabear,
>>There is biblical support for this idea of bearing false witness as long as one is trying to advance the cause of God. In Romans 3:7 KJV Paul contends "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" Of course, one might wonder how a lie advances the truth, but that's only a problem for those who think.<<
I don't think that verse says what you think it says. Here it is in full context (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203:5-8;&version=31; ):
>>5But if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?" 8Why not sayas we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is deserved.<<
Yahweh - Surely you're not suggesting that someone could use a single verse out of context to support their otherwise indefensible position, are you? Because ... we don't ever see that sort of thing here. Nope. Never.
Though I must admit, this reminds me some of The Giver. As the kids were raised, they were constantly taught not to lie. When they hit maturity, one of them discovered that adults were allowed to lie.
So adult Christians don't have to follow the commandments quite as strictly, I suppose. Or something.
And Fly you were banned because you accused Laura Bush of murdering someone. Get a grip.
Once again you are wrong. I said she killed somebody....in a car crash. Pity that I post the truth and was banned for it. As I said before, good riddance to you, mannn, and all other Bush apologists.
Cousin Ted. No I don't support lying for any reason. If you reread what I said I stated that the quote was taken out of context. In my opinion the pictures crossed the line and were in fact very close to kiddy porn.
Fly, keep telling yourself and maybe one day if you hope really really hard it will be true. Always a victim.
Sadly, he isn't the only person the Bush family has killed.
I posted the definitions for murder and kill, yet you still dont know the difference. I cant believe you would be this dishonest. You have no credibility and should be ignored.
Thanks James, I owe you one.
I am perpetually amazed by the denial of the Christian right.
Sure the whole God is perfect thing is laughable when all evidence points to the contrary. If he did exist, it is clearly an inefficient, clumsy, jealous, callous to human suffering, vengeful, pelutant, shallow, obsessive, needy brat! But yes, if you are going to worship something, you obviously need to rationalise it into something worth worshipping, once you get past the fear and self interest part and actually concentrate upon who your worshipping. The blind and systematic ignoral of evidence to the contrary is a blight on the human condition and any actual evidence of his wrongdoing is often treated as blasphemous heresy. (excuse the tautology - I'm going somewhere with this)
NOW!!
Look at their behaviour with the chimp!
Sure the whole Bush is competent thing is laughable when all evidence points to the contrary. He is clearly an inefficient, clumsy, jealous, callous to human suffering, vengeful, pelutant, shallow, obsessive, needy brat! But yes, if you are going to follow something, you obviously need to rationalise it into something worth worshipping, once you get past the fear and self interest part and actually concentrate upon who you voted for. The blind and systematic ignoral of evidence to the contrary is a blight on the human condition and any actual evidence of his wrongdoing is often treated as blasphemous heresy.
"I posted the definitions for murder and kill, yet you still dont know the difference."
Funny how you are all up in arms about what the Laura Bush did. Which I might add was an ACCIDENT.
I see no mention of what Ted Kennedy did. <rolleyes>
I guess it only applies if the Republican party did it. hehe
Not The Victim #27424
<< I see no mention of what Ted Kennedy did. <rolleyes>
I guess it only applies if the Republican party did it. hehe
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Check out the post by James, #27335, four posts before yours, posted nearly two hours earlier. Did you merely fail reading comprehension, or are you so unaccustomed to honesty that you can't see it when it's right in front of you?
~David D.G.
Funny how you are all up in arms about what the Laura Bush did. Which I might add was an ACCIDENT.
I see no mention of what Ted Kennedy did. <rolleyes>
I guess it only applies if the Republican party did it. hehe
What kind of idiot are you? What does Kennedy have to do with anything? Why dont you use your fundy RR name...too pussy to reveal your identity.
For the record, Kennedy is an idiot, and it can debated that he could have murdered that girl....there, enough of him. Kennedy did much worse than Laura Bush....but that takes nothing away from the fact that Laura Bush was responsible for her boyfriends death. She killed him. Prove me wrong.
Once again, why was I banned from RR? For telling the truth? Yes, and because there are a bunch of hateful hypocrites who live in a dillusional fantasyland.
James said everything that needed to be said. That is the RR in a nutshell.
"Talk about hypocrites. BAHAHAHAHA" I don't think anyone actually WAS talking about you, mamacags.........
Tell us, how does your attitude towards the truth square with "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?
Looks like you're hellfire-bound and hoist by your own petard, ma'am.
"In my opinion the pictures crossed the line and were in fact very close to kiddy porn."
So you agree that they're ~not~ kiddy porn? So ania was right!
Moreover, this book is sold at amazon, and available at other major retailers and libraries. If there was any reasonable question about the illegality this material, why would they stock it?
Did I miss where ania got her two points clarified?
What's DU mama? Is it a Democrats thing?
Maybe I should go submit a poem I wrote there....
Inspired by the works of Theodore Geisel (Dr Seuss) and the actions of a complete prat (George W Bush)
A is for Asshole, and being Antidisestablishmentarianistic.
B is for Bully, and a trillion Bucks a year building his Big stick.
C is for Cream of Society, so rich, thick and full of Clots.
D is for Dalmatian pup: Disobedience, youth, Drinking and lotsa black spots.
E is for the Economy, and homelessness vs the inflation card.
- It’s also for the Environment, and his complete disregard.
F is for the Fathers, never to return -
- Tragically repeating a lesson he just will not learn!
G is for the Georgia Guard, and being chicken-shit!
H is for Halliburton, and becoming a Hypocrite.
I has to be for Irak, yes he spells it that way!
J is for Jesus, that voice he hears saying his crimes are OK.
K is for the Klan, just guess who they voted for.
L is for Liberation, i.e. Lying to start a war!
M is for Moving, the Middle East to the West.
N is for Nepotism - his daddy knows best!
O is for Opportunity, to get filthy, stinking rich.
P is for Poverty, see O you son of a bitch!
Q is for Queers, and denying they are people.
R is for Religion, but only if it has a steeple.
S is for Spying on your citizens - no trust in your brother.
T is for Tyranny, replacing one form with another.
U is for Underhand tactics, and populations living in fear!
V is for Vacations, that last a whole year.
W is for WMD’s, which the U.S. uses in war.
X marks the spot, so prepare for shock and awe’.
Y doesn’t even matter, as the U.S. flag is slowly unfurled.
Z is for Zionist Christians, Wolfowitz and the end of the world.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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