Nearly 50% of all abortions are repeat abortions. These repeat abortions do not represent "satisfied customers." Instead, post-abortion women often seek replacement pregnancies to make up for the aborted child, but find themselves faced with the same social pressures which led to the first abortion. There is also evidence that some women undergo repeat abortions as an act of "self-punishment" or as attempt to "harden" themselves to negative feelings stemming from their first abortion..
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Actually, his statistics are correct, if you use a study from the CDC done in 1997.
Of course, he is still a dick since he pulls women's reasons for having abortion out of his ass.
Here are the most common reasons for abortion:
She is not ready to become a parent.
She cannot afford a baby.
She doesn't want to be a single parent.
She doesn't want anyone to know she has had sex or is pregnant.
She is too young or too immature to have a child.
She has all the children she wants.
Her husband, partner, or parent wants her to have an abortion.
She or the fetus has a health problem.
She was a survivor of rape or incest.
And can we have a source for these assertions? Didn't think so...
Even if it was true, it still wouldn't mean that abortion would have to be forbidden, only that the psychological counselling these women had was woefully inadequate and need to be improved/rethought. And while I'm sure that there are women who get several abortions, I seriously doubt that they could represent such a proportion without the planned parenthood clinics noticing and the problem getting public.
On a side note, I'd be curious to know which proportion of these repeat avortee is made of dumber-than-dirt fundies who know nothing about proper contraception and/or hubby refusing to use a condom...
@noself:
What's Perato's law?
Statistics are out of date. They're nearly a decade old.
You think reasons women get abortions has changed that much in ten years?
"Nearly 50% of all abortions are repeat abortions."
So what, bad luck can't strike the same couples twice?
"These repeat abortions do not represent "satisfied customers." Instead, post-abortion women often seek replacement pregnancies to make up for the aborted child, but find themselves faced with the same social pressures which led to the first abortion."
I don't know that I would say "often," but that can happen, alright.
"There is also evidence that some women undergo repeat abortions as an act of "self-punishment" or as attempt to "harden" themselves to negative feelings stemming from their first abortion.."
No, I think that's crap. Show me some articles supporting those assertions in a pertinent, peer-reviewed journal, then I'll believe that. Until then, I have to assume those assertions were pulled from your butt. Nobody has multiple abortions to "harden" themselves.
@Adrain: Perato's Law refers to the general tendancy of a disproporationate number to be responsible for most of a situation.
So the reason why 1 in 4 marriages ending in divorce is misleading is because it's a disproportionately small group that make up these trends.
Small goes for the US Federal Budget, something like the top 5 programmes making up 80% of the budget. This led Paul Krugman to quip that the US was really a giant pension fund with an army.
"There is also evidence that some women undergo repeat abortions as an act of "self-punishment" or as attempt to "harden" themselves to negative feelings stemming from their first abortion..""
And how many of those negative feelings are as a result of the fundie lies that are fed to them? If enough people are told that they're murdering the "life" inside them, from friends, relatives, the press, hell, even the government , how long will it take the average woman of average intelligence to doubt herself?
Actually, the classic Pareto principle is that 20% of the population is responsible for 80% of the effect.
In practice, it's a proven mathematical fact, when dealing with any distribution, that x% of the distribution will have (100-x)% of the thing distributed, for x between 0 and 50. It tends toward 20/80 for a system approaching normal distribution.
--GF
CDC Report
This seems to be the newest report (that I could find) from the CDC.
54% [of women] were reported to have obtained an abortion for the first time, and 19% were reported to have had at least two previous abortions.
So, here is the acurate stat from the CDC - 19%. It took me a while to find this! I was worried that the 50% stat I quoted before seemed too high and thought I ought to do a little research. Yes, even I was fooled for a bit by the anti-abortion reteric. (Boy is my face red).
Some people who have an abortion don't learn from the experience, but refrain from using contraceptives again, and find themselves pregnant again. Maybe a lot of these didn't receive sex-ed in school.
"Replacement pregnancies"? "Social pressures"? "Self-punishment"? Do you think women are feeble creatures, not able to make their own decissions, who can't lead a fulfilling life without a baby?
Citation needed for that evidence, please.
Maybe 50 percent of all abortion are repeat abortions. That does not mean that every other woman is having a repeat abortion. A small percentage of women are having several abortions, while most women never have even one. I'd guess that at least some of those first women either had a lousy sexual education, won't use contraceptives, or has a husband who refuse to use contraceptives. It might also be very young women, who are abused by older relatives, and aren't allowed access to the pill.
Have you ever had an abortion, Bryon? How could you otherwise know so much about how "post-abortion" women feel?
What you abort is not a child, but a zygote, an embryo or a fetus.
What social pressures are you talking about? Most sane people have an abortion because they feel they won't be able to provide a child the life it deserves. Either they can't afford to, or they don't have the parental abilities required.
What evidence do you have for the self-punishment/hardening theory? If there are women like that, they might harden themselves to death. An abortion is still a risky procedure and, as any abortion, can be dangerous, even fatal.
Confused?
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