[Scientists create sperm in laboratory]
I've done some research before. not on this per-sey... but i dont think they will be considered 'human', they might not even be human.
they might not even act human, think like humans or anything. they might have to be 'programmed' like 'clones'. they might not even have souls!
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"they might not even have souls!"
And how would we, or even you, be able to tell the difference?
A post from 'Travelling Through' in that thread made me laugh:There is no such word as sacreligious to scientists.
Er, there's no such word as 'sacreligious', full stop.
they might have to be 'programmed' like 'clones'
So why aren't you people jumping for joy at the idea of an army of unquestioning sheep at your command?
You're right about one thing, though; they won't have souls. Just like everyone else.
So, Dolly needed programming before she could go out and eat grass?
Plus, a sperm is only one piece of a potential future human. Something like 99.9 % of all sperms go to waste.
How do you "act human" or "think like humans"? People in different cultures act very differently and seem to think rather differently too. Not even the "yes" and "no" signs with the head is the same all over the world.
What is a soul, and how do you prove that you have one?
Thundersqueaks: That's hard to look at after a while.
"I've done some risotto before, not on this parsley... but i dont think they will be considered 'Hunan'..."
Fixed.
"Destroying an egg in a mother's womb is the most intrinsic evil and must be stopped, but if I were ever to meet someone who was a clone of another person I wouldn't regard them as human. They're unworthy scum."
Can you feel the christian love?
Sperm were never considered humans.
Also, what you have to remember (or, most probably,learn in your case) is that identical twins are clones of each other. Do they share a soul? Is one born without a soul?
NO. They are both full-on human beings with awareness. The same would apply to artificially induced clones.
Er, precisely, how does one program a clone?
Is it like cloning the SIM card from a cellphone.
per-sey?
That would per se.
I've done some research before. not on this per-sey
Hate to break it to you, but making shit up and then asserting it's true doesn't qualify as research.
but i dont think they will be considered 'human', they might not even be human. they might not even act human, think like humans or anything
So all you've got is baseless speculation and your own admittedly uninformed opinion.
they might have to be 'programmed' like 'clones'
Since when do we "program" clones in the first place? We don't have to "program" cloned sheep so that they will act like sheep, why would a human be any different. Seems to me that you don't understand what is science fiction and what is real science. This is the real world, not Star Wars, we don't "program" clones in the real world.
they might not even have souls!
And just what is a soul? Why hasn't anyone ever been able to demonstrate or even so much as infer the actual physical existance of a soul? They probably won't have souls since such things don't exist outside of myths and fairy tales.
"I've done some research before. not on this per-sey... "
Well, haven't we all. I've done some research into American history, lighting design and acoustics.
"but i dont think they will be considered 'human', they might not even be human."
So, you're saying that one could not consider them human even if they were human?
"they might not even act human, think like humans or anything."
Very unlikly as they would be biologically entirely human and, I would assume, be raised by humans in a human society, but then again, there's your research to consider.
"they might have to be 'programmed' like 'clones'."
Clones do not have to be "programmed" any more than non-cloned children are "programmed."
"they might not even have souls!"
You might not have a soul either. Please prove that you do.
@schism:
So why aren't you people jumping for joy at the idea of an army of unquestioning sheep at your command?
There is already an army of unquestioning mindless fundies at the church's disposal. And fundies don't like competition.
The world's biologists will be rocked by the realization that this new human clone has no soul.
No. Wait. They won't.
And anyway, is Fairyice really saying that every sperm has a soul, unless it's made in a test tube?
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Bring in the Clones.
(Sorry)
ALL humans have to be "programmed." It usually takes at least 18 years.
Clearly, some of your programming was badly written and full of syntax errors.
1. Human DNA = Human fetus. No way around it.
2. Since when do we have to program clones? We're not the Asgard you know.
3. If they are raised human, they will act human. If they are human, they will think like humans.
4. What is this "soul" you are so convinced exists?
"I've done some research before. not on this per-sey..."
That's like saying "Well, I've read a book on Africa, so you should listen to my speculation on the nature of quarks."
Full points for being completely irrelevant
I've done some research before. not on this per-sey per se
Translation, you looked in the bible, didn't find it, so it's not real, right?
Whose Persey?
Don't you mean "per se"?
No, they would grow up like any other test tube baby. And now that they have an external womb (last I saw they grew a goat in one) there will be no stopping them, and you can't tell the difference.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Paging Philip K Dick...?
Mind you, given the reactions of the Nexus-6 Replicant, in Blade Runner, you could argue that they are potentially far more emotionally human, than many of the so called "Humans", in said film...
"I've done some research before. not on this per-sey..."
Classic. I know nothing about this, but I've read words before, so therefore I'm qualified to vomit some new words in relation to the words you just showed me. Praise Jebus!
they might not even act human, think like humans or anything. they might have to be 'programmed' like 'clones'. they might not even have souls!
Oh, great. Just terrific! They find out a way to churn out more humans (just what the planet needs) and the damn things might be fundies? This could be worse than Homer's cloning hammock.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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