Marriage has not changed, it is still between a man and a woman
*Oh you mean it's not between a man and his many wives and concubines, a woman and her rapist, a woman and an invading soldier who just helped conquer the land she lives in, a man and his dead brother's wife...
The wives are not married to eachother, the "marriage" itself is still between the man and the woman.
Besides, the other examples really serve to assist my point. It's between a man and a woman.
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@Mudak
A woman's choice is also beside the point.
"Real" marriage -- i.e. the subset of what people around the world call marriage that's acceptable to True Christians(TM) -- has never changed and will never change. True Christians(TM) may become as rare as Millerites or Shakers, but that definition will stand until the heat death of the universe. Meanwhile, the rest of us will call our cohabitation and child-rearing arrangements whatever we like.
So, being forced to marry the man who raped is you is more morally acceptable than marrying another woman?
The fundies are on a charm offensive again...
True. Nothing can get between a man and a woman quite like marriage will.
Marriage is an institution that is fostered by a concept of social order. It is feverishly maintained for that purpose, and for the enrichment of several industries that have grown up around it, including divorce lawyers. It matters little whether the social construct doing the fostering is a religious institution, or the Internal Revenue Service. The amount of grooming, social and peer pressure, and coercion surrounding the act is proof of concept.
It exists primarily to create a social unit that can be held responsible for the care and feeding of offspring and other dependents. All the rest is window dressing, and the kind of bullshit mummery that the church uses to shore up a weak argument. It is interesting to me that it is promoted by the same institutions that fail to expound the concept of personal responsibility. ("The devil made me do it!") Were people more inclined to take responsibility, such contracts would be superfluous.
This whole alleged controversy is nothing more than a political hot button. In actuality, it matters piss-all to your cult, your politicians, or your lifestyle, what adult production/consumption unit I marry. If I'm wealthy enough, they won't even pretend to care. Your religious handlers will make an economic decision regarding inclusion versus exclusion. They will decide based on which decision they think will put more assholes in contact with church pews, or pointing upward for Allah. When the economics change, so will their stance - with the usual minority hold-outs for the truly bigoted. /rant
Look everyone, it's a wild PRATT!
@ Troll4life:
Since the Bible is not the law, it matters not a whit. And same-sex marriage was hardly unknown in the ancient world.
Besides, the other examples really serve to assist my point. It's between a man and a woman.
Alas, what those examples do is show that marriage was between Father and his Daughters New Owner... Or between murdering bastard and prisoner... Or between raping fuckwit and victim.
50 years ago, it was "Marriage is a man and woman of the same race! Just how it's always been!!"
Ebon, it was, but not among God's people. It was practiced by the Greeks, Romans, etc.
Marriage has not changed, it is still between a man and a woman.
Good grief, you must lead a very sheltered life.
Under the law, it has changed.
His4Life, try getting married without a certificate from the State. Without one, it's not a legal marriage regardless of gender. Looks like the State trumps God and can define marriage as two people of any gender.
@ His4Life
Well His, I guess you have us this time. Your bible does not support two consenting adults of the same gender coming together in marriage, but it does support men claiming women as wives through rape. By all means, enjoy your victory. Rejoice in your perfect bible that agrees with your feelings about gay people but regards the sexual assault of women as merely a matter of paying the woman's father off.
Granted, that may seem strange to some of us, given the sensitivity to the subject of sexual assault which you have claimed in other posts. But then, those of us who have known you for a long time know better than to trust your honesty and sincerity in any of the claims you make.
> The wives are not married to eachother, the "marriage" itself is still between the man and the woman.
Between the man and the women , you mean.
> Besides, the other examples really serve to assist my point. It's between a man and a woman.
yay forced marriages are so cool! /s
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