(On yet another thread abot Terri Schaivo: "The Hippocratic Oath is outdated, and actually is seen as such by many, many people.")
Yeah... those outdated oaths are of no value, correct?
The morals embodied in them are simply not hip, correct?
Bring on the death squads! We are in a NEW situation! This is the time to eliminate the undesirables. This is the time to decide who deserves to live and who does not! This is the Darwinian revolution!
Viva la Darwin!
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Well you idiot, given it was written 2400 years ago by Hippocrates or one of his students, yes, it's a little out of date...
It starts...
I swear by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.
Should you update your pledge of allegiance to that perhaps?
Panacea is the Latin version of the Greek God of healing. It also means an universal cure.
Hygeia was the Goddess of Health and sanitation. Origins of hygiene.
Æsculapius was the Greek demi-god of medicine. Hygeia and Panacea were his daughters.
They are, in fact, many people still make the oath when they graduate. The problem with Terri Schiavo is that the patient has refused treatments which prolong their life unnaturally, which didn´t exactly exist in the time. What the hippocratic oath says is that you should not terminate their lives with a poison, like in a suicide, not that they should not die naturally in order to avoid more suffering.
Let's get some other "outdated" values.
- Burn the witch!
- Burn the books!
- Burn the heathen!
- Get back to work slave!
- Get back into the bedroom slave!
- Stone the child!
- Stone the guy who worked on saturday!
- Rape and pillage! And murder, but only after the raping.
Should we reintroduce these to? You might like that because many of them were promoted by the church. Or at least condoned by the church.
"Yeah... those outdated oaths are of no value, correct?"
No, not correct.
"The morals embodied in them are simply not hip, correct?"
No, not correct.
"Bring on the death squads!"
No, not correct.
"We are in a NEW situation! This is the time to eliminate the undesirables."
No, not correct.
"This is the time to decide who deserves to live and who does not!"
No, not correct.
"This is the Darwinian revolution!"
No, not correct.
"Viva la Darwin!"
It may surprise you to find out, but Darwin has actually been dead for years and years and years. That the ToE should "live on" and continue to develop is an excellent goal. Viva la ToE.
The Hippocratic Oath is constantly revised. Not all doctors take the same version of the oath. Removing someone from life support is inline with many modern versions of the oath. Doctors and families make these decisions daily. The only difference is that you don't hear about those cases because they aren't politicized like the Shiavo case.
How many people really want to live like that? I don't think I've ever heard someone seriously state, "If I'm brain-dead, please keep me on life support."
The one lesson I hope people learned from this case is the importance of making a living will.
Right on, daddy-o, I'm hip to your jive! But chill cat, Darwin was like, the ginchy-est. You're squaresville man, I'm jetting this scene, you dig?
That aside, davidfromtexas is an idiot, pure and simple.
Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath say something about the physician assuming the duty of helping his patients to die with dignity?
Oh, and just for the record: This guy is some OTHER David from Texas! (There are lots of us here, apparently.)
~David D.G.
People who actually care about science mostly want to get on with their lives. Its the far right christians who want to start wars and bring on the end of the world, so they can live in some fantasy paradise, while they imagine their enemies being burned in some mythical sadistic hellhole.
I'd say that most physicians probably see the Hippocratic Oath more like a tradition, and celebration after achieving your medical license, than something legally valid.
From the Oath: "I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage."
As Terry Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state, there was nothing left that could suffer, well, anything.
There was basically nothing to eliminate.
Human beings with functioning nervous system and sentience deserve to live.
Human beings with neither functioning nervous system, nor sentience aren't really alive, anyway.
The Darwinian revolution took place in the years after 1859, silly.
Confused?
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